Darrell Green does not support Redskin name change

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

they had meeting and Goodell wasn't even there. And Oneida wants to meet with other owners on SB week. Like that's going to do anything ? and they gave a 30 page pseudo science study paper that says the name is harmful to Indians psychies LOL


and the want Goodell to visit Oneida tribe areas...right ? like they wont be all scripted how to act when he gets there?

He should visit and then they should have to visit tribes who want the Redskins to keep the name. Is it too much to ask that there be some semblance of a consensus among American Indians before the Skins change their name?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by punch it in

It is definitely about skin color.....

Are You Ready For Some Controversy? The History Of 'Redskin' : Code Switch : NPR

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Didn't someone say Redskins wasn't about Indians actual skin color, but the red war paint they used? I dunno. I just don't see Redskins as derogatory and I'm a minority.

Although... I did find Redskin in the racial slur database...

The Racial Slur Database

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_(slang)

[44Deezel]

"I've talked to our students, our parents and our community about this and nobody finds any offense at all in it," says Tim Ames, the superintendent of Wellpinit schools. "'Redskins' is not an insult to our kids. 'Wagon burners' is an insult. 'Prairie n-----s' is an insult. Those are very upsetting to our kids. But 'Redskins' is an honorable name we wear with pride. & In fact, I'd like to see somebody come up here and try to change it."

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I have done research on the name and no it doesn't have racist roots. That doesn't mean that somewhere along the way someone decided that it could be used in a derogatory manner but to say its roots or origin is born out of racism is severely incorrect.

The closets reference talking about the name is a book by Dr. Bruce Stapleton
ISBN: 0-595-17167-2

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Woody: American Indians in Va. have no problem with “Redskins� - Richmond Times-Dispatch: Football

They have actually

But this is purely anecdotal. As I said before we can find just as many articles with the opposite POV. The last study that came out said 90% weren't offended but that was a decade ago. A lot changes in a decade.

[scowan]

You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by scowan

You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.

cheers to that

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by scowan

You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.

..........prophetic

[Chico23231]

Why arent Peter King, Bob Costas, and other rich white offended elitist focused on more pressing issues within the Indian community like poverty, alcholism, and education? This country is a trip where hypocrisy rules.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

But this is purely anecdotal. As I said before we can find just as many articles with the opposite POV. The last study that came out said 90% weren't offended but that was a decade ago. A lot changes in a decade.

Your talking about the heart of Redskins country where actual indians have more Redskins media exposure, fans, indian symbolism, etc. and your saying this doesnt matter? This is where the most offended should be.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I never said it doesn't matter. I am saying it is an article with one person's POV. I agree that this is the population that is most directly impacted by the Redskins label, but the article doesn't prove anything one way or another.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I never said it doesn't matter. I am saying it is an article with one person's POV. I agree that this is the population that is most directly impacted by the Redskins label, but the article doesn't prove anything one way or another.

It gives actual prespective from indians stating the term redskins is not offensive and never has been.

If you want to talk prove or proof ask the Oneida indians

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by scowan

You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.

Agree, but at the same time there are a lot of people who support keeping the name who are making it about "me". "I don't care that you feel it offends your heritage, this is my football team, my team colors, my team history. Why are you taking that away from me?"

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agree, but at the same time there are a lot of people who support keeping the name who are making it about "me". "I don't care that you feel it offends your heritage, this is my football team, my team colors, my team history. Why are you taking that away from me?"

Well said.