Samuels Done for the Year

[bedlamVR]

I have mixed feelings on this .

Samuels no matter what the dunderheads on this board say is a top LT . But he has been slowed by that knee injury and simply not himself .. Normally he would be one of the OL men you would see everywhere but more often than not in the last couple of weeks he has been stood around in pain hands on hips .

It does essentially end our season . It ends the running game of Portis but I know I want the team to fight for every yard .

As for the Parcells comparison . Bill always builds the lines, but if you actually watched the Dolphins last year they were not as bad as they looked . I saw them play the Giants close, the Steelers to 3 point and actually beat the Ravens.

The Dolphins have been rebuilding their line for a number of years, adding Jake long often makes the OL better just like adding Samuels in 2000 made our offensive line good .

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I saw this posted in a comment on Redskins Insider today.

Miami's 2008 Draft (Parcells knows how to shop for groceries):

1st round: Jake Long - OT
2nd round: Merling - DE
3rd round: Langford - DT
4th round: Murphy - OT
6th round: Thomas - OG
7th round: Dotson - DE

After a 1-15 season last year, guess who the most improved team is this season? Granted Pennington is a big part of that, but The Tuna understands what butters the bread of successful NFL teams. The trenches baby.

Merling is definitely someone I would have liked here. But, just out of curiosity, how much are those guys contributing this season?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Merling is definitely someone I would have liked here. But, just out of curiosity, how much are those guys contributing this season?

Without looking deeply into the playing time of any of these guys, I'd bet that after the 3rd round, none of those players are making that much of an impact. I could be wrong of course, that's straight speculation.

But still, you see the pattern. And no one can deny that Bill Parcells is a master at lifting teams out of the depths.

It's one of the rules known throughout football: You have to build up your lines first.

Vinny Cerrato, with Dan Snyder's approval has steadily ignored this rule. And we're seeing the results.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Without looking deeply into the playing time of any of these guys, I'd bet that after the 3rd round, none of those players are making that much of an impact. I could be wrong of course, that's straight speculation.

But still, you see the pattern. And no one can deny that Bill Parcells is a master at lifting teams out of the depths.

It's one of the rules known throughout football: You have to build up your lines first.

Vinny Cerrato, with Dan Snyder's approval has steadily ignored this rule. And we're seeing the results.

I just bring it up because A)it's likely that most of those guys have little to do nothing do with the Dolphins' improvement this season and b)why are we praising guys on other teams who have yet to contribute anything (in all likelihood, I don't know for a fact) yet are so quick to dismiss our own draft picks?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I saw this posted in a comment on Redskins Insider today.

Miami's 2008 Draft (Parcells knows how to shop for groceries):

1st round: Jake Long - OT
2nd round: Merling - DE
3rd round: Langford - DT
4th round: Murphy - OT
6th round: Thomas - OG
7th round: Dotson - DE

After a 1-15 season last year, guess who the most improved team is this season? Granted Pennington is a big part of that, but The Tuna understands what butters the bread of successful NFL teams. The trenches baby.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Merling is definitely someone I would have liked here. But, just out of curiosity, how much are those guys contributing this season?

Just an fyi:


1st round: Jake Long - OT played in all 13 games
2nd round: Merling - DE played in all 13 games 17 tackles
3rd round: Langford - DT played in all 13 games 26 tackles
4th round: Murphy - OT played in 0 games
6th round: Thomas - OG played in 0 games
7th round: Dotson - DE played in 2 games 1 tackle.

[CRedskinsRule]

Also;
ours:
2nd round: Thomas- WR 13 games 14 catches, 103 yds (+ 1 TD called back ) 2 Rushes 45 yds, 1 TD
2nd round: Davis - TE 7 games 1 catch 6 yards (inactive after Detroit game did something happen in that one?)
2nd round: Kelly - WR 5 games 3 catches 18yds
7th round: Horton - SS 12 games 65 tackles, 3 INT

I know there are others. didn't get all the stats...

[over the mountain]

^^ ive been wondering why davis hasnt seen the field since the first half of the season too. logic would say his playing time and participation would increase.

anyone know something we dont know about davis?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

^^ ive been wondering why davis hasnt seen the field since the first half of the season too. logic would say his playing time and participation would increase.

anyone know something we dont know about davis?

Please not the doesn't understand the playbook answer though, because he was activated for all the games until after Detroit.

[CRedskinsRule]

Was Detroit where we tried the end around with Davis?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Was Detroit where we tried the end around with Davis?

Cleveland.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just an fyi:


1st round: Jake Long - OT played in all 13 games
2nd round: Merling - DE played in all 13 games 17 tackles
3rd round: Langford - DT played in all 13 games 26 tackles
4th round: Murphy - OT played in 0 games
6th round: Thomas - OG played in 0 games
7th round: Dotson - DE played in 2 games 1 tackle.

Pretty good. All 6 lineman they drafted made the team, with half of them playing in every game. Not to mention they got their future QB in Chad Henne and good complimentary WR in Davone Bess who has contributed 39 catches (more than our top 3 picks combined) and 744 all-purpose yards (WAY more than our top 3 picks combined).

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I just bring it up because A)it's likely that most of those guys have little to do nothing do with the Dolphins' improvement this season and b)why are we praising guys on other teams who have yet to contribute anything (in all likelihood, I don't know for a fact) yet are so quick to dismiss our own draft picks?

Then it looks like we're arguing about two different things. My point, and I think GMScud's also, is to contrast the drafting strategy of the Redskins under Snyder and Cerrato and Bill Parcells who knows how to build a team up from the ashes.

I'm not ready to dismiss Thomas, Kelly and Davis as busts yet either. And in fact, I was willing to give Cerrato the benefit of the doubt on drafting them because receiver was obvioulsy an area of need. But to ignore the offensive and defensive lines year after year is inexcusable. They haven't spent a high draft choice (3rd or higher) on a D-linemen since Kenard Lang in 1997. And there's been just two high draft picks (Rinehart and Dockery) chosen along the O-line in eight years.

That sort of mindset defies the formula that elite teams use to build themselves up and prepare for the future. And this front office has done it for almost a decade now.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Let's just hope Campbell can survive the rest of the season.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Then it looks like we're arguing about two different things. My point, and I think GMScud's also, is to contrast the drafting strategy of the Redskins under Snyder and Cerrato and Bill Parcells who knows how to build a team up from the ashes.

I'm not ready to dismiss Thomas, Kelly and Davis as busts yet either. And in fact, I was willing to give Cerrato the benefit of the doubt on drafting them because receiver was obvioulsy an area of need. But to ignore the offensive and defensive lines year after year is inexcusable. They haven't spent a high draft choice (3rd or higher) on a D-linemen since Kenard Lang in 1997. And there's been just two high draft picks (Rinehart and Dockery) chosen along the O-line in eight years.

That sort of mindset defies the formula that elite teams use to build themselves up and prepare for the future. And this front office has done it for almost a decade now.

I don't think it's any secret in the NFL, among analysts, or among more knowledgeable fans that the Skins FO, under Snyder's ownership, has been appallingly bad at finding trench talent through the draft and even in FA. Last draft we used the "excuse" of looking for the best overall talent instead of drafting needs, evidently. I have to call bullshit at this point - not a single offensive player drafted has made a significant contribution through 13 games. That's the simple fact of it and it is inexcusable, and would never be tolerated in an elite franchise. Parcells would mop the floor w/ Vinny's smirking little face and send him packing.

Beyond this season I'm more and more worried that our lack of talent among the talent-finders @ Redskins Park is going to keep Zorn from realizing the kind of success we'd all like to see.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Then it looks like we're arguing about two different things. My point, and I think GMScud's also, is to contrast the drafting strategy of the Redskins under Snyder and Cerrato and Bill Parcells who knows how to build a team up from the ashes.

I'm not ready to dismiss Thomas, Kelly and Davis as busts yet either. And in fact, I was willing to give Cerrato the benefit of the doubt on drafting them because receiver was obvioulsy an area of need. But to ignore the offensive and defensive lines year after year is inexcusable. They haven't spent a high draft choice (3rd or higher) on a D-linemen since Kenard Lang in 1997. And there's been just two high draft picks (Rinehart and Dockery) chosen along the O-line in eight years.

That sort of mindset defies the formula that elite teams use to build themselves up and prepare for the future. And this front office has done it for almost a decade now.

Yessir. That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying.

What good are three 2nd round pass catchers if you have no time to throw to them?

It's appalling how we have flagrantly just ignored the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball in the draft.