LOL @ Redskins

12thMan · 11-16-2010, 12:31 PM

I gotta tell you, I'm not buying the whole it takes time to adjust to the 3-4 business. This defense is horrible and it wasn't this bad last year. And we do have some talent on that side of the ball, so it's simply not adding up. Of course, we need to upgrades here and there, but still we've fallen off and that's on Haslett.

#56fanatic · 11-16-2010, 12:35 PM

I am first to bash some of the morans that have run this organization the past 10 years. However, it was Shanny that wanted to run this 3-4 this year, vs waiting for the right players to run it. Hazlett is doing the best he can with really nothing to work with. We have maybe 2 or 3 legit 3-4 pieces to have the D work with any consistant results. Orakpo, Fletcher, Landry, maybe Hall (sometimes) the rest of them are really not fitting in. The fact we have forced so many turnovers is quite amazing to me given that fact that we are normally getting run over or out of position, so I give him credit for creating that type of attitude.

This game last night turned on a couple of plays. Yeah, the 1st play was a horrible way to start the game. But, we come back and run the ball 3 straight times??. 2nd time with the ball, down 14-0, 3rd down, McNabb get pressured, he moves out and throws a ball that Moss should have caught. I think he felt a little scared of getting hit and stopped running. He catches that, 1st down drive still alive. Instead interception, down 21-0. Next possession, OLD ASS Galloway drops a beautiful thrown ball that would have been a first down, drive still alive. Instead, we punt and now down 28-0. We had opportunities to be in the game but those few plays really summed up the night. Eagles hit every single opportunity given to them. Missed tackles by a bunch of us on that 50 yard run. We make those 1st downs early in the game, keep the ball, drive down get some points and I am not sure, but i think the Eagles consistant aggressive playcalling may have been scaled back a bit. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain by going for the throat after leading 21-0.

We will see how this team responds next week. Hopefully, come out with some fire and want to prove something. Because right now, we have once again made ourselves into a joke in the NFL by last nights horrible showing on national TV.

sportscurmudgeon · 11-16-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JLee9718

After watching last night’s game, guess what? The Redskins need a new defensive coordinator, too! Only Jim Haslet could take a top 10 defensive unit and make it the worst defense in the NFL! Back when Marty Schottenheimer (sp?) was hired as the Redskins coach I was ecstatic. Well, it took me three weeks and I was ready to toss him back to Cleveland, which also fired him (before KC also fired him!). He tried to tell Darrell Green how to play cornerback!!! He said he was a teacher of football, and Green had been playing his position wrong! Eventually Marty got fired after one year so the ‘Skins could bring in the inept Steve Spurrier and Green ended up in the Hall of Fame. So now we have Shanahan, who was fired by Denver, and then Mike hired his son as his offensive coordinator, and the playcalling looks kind of strange to me. Now Kyle is trying to teach McNabb how to play QB (he says his stance is wrong and he’s trying to get McNabb to change it!!!). McNabb will eventually end up in the Hall of Fame (presumably because of his “bad” stance when he throws!!!) Woe is me…Why do coaches go brain dead when they are hired by the Redskins? And why can their sons call good plays in Houston but suddenly are the height of ineptness when they reach the Redskins? The ‘Skins looked lost on defense against the Eagles, just as they looked lost against the Colts. Fire Haslet now!!! Next to go would be Kyle if the offense doesn’t improve!

Kyle Shanahan did not go braindead when he got here. One huge change for him is that he had Andre Johnson to catch the ball thrown by his QB in Houston and he had NO ONE here in Washington who is half as good as Andre Johnson.

I happen to think Kyle Shanahan is very overrated as an "offensive genius" and that if his name were Kyle Flabeetz he would still be a quality control coach at a Diovision 1-AA college somewhere, but his success in Houston came because he had some REALLY good players there and he has precious few of them here.

SirClintonPortis · 11-16-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I am first to bash some of the morans that have run this organization the past 10 years. However, it was Shanny that wanted to run this 3-4 this year, vs waiting for the right players to run it. Hazlett is doing the best he can with really nothing to work with. We have maybe 2 or 3 legit 3-4 pieces to have the D work with any consistant results. Orakpo, Fletcher, Landry, maybe Hall (sometimes) the rest of them are really not fitting in. The fact we have forced so many turnovers is quite amazing to me given that fact that we are normally getting run over or out of position, so I give him credit for creating that type of attitude.

This game last night turned on a couple of plays. Yeah, the 1st play was a horrible way to start the game. But, we come back and run the ball 3 straight times??. 2nd time with the ball, down 14-0, 3rd down, McNabb get pressured, he moves out and throws a ball that Moss should have caught. I think he felt a little scared of getting hit and stopped running. He catches that, 1st down drive still alive. Instead interception, down 21-0. Next possession, OLD ASS Galloway drops a beautiful thrown ball that would have been a first down, drive still alive. Instead, we punt and now down 28-0. We had opportunities to be in the game but those few plays really summed up the night. Eagles hit every single opportunity given to them. Missed tackles by a bunch of us on that 50 yard run. We make those 1st downs early in the game, keep the ball, drive down get some points and I am not sure, but i think the Eagles consistant aggressive playcalling may have been scaled back a bit. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain by going for the throat after leading 21-0.

We will see how this team responds next week. Hopefully, come out with some fire and want to prove something. Because right now, we have once again made ourselves into a joke in the NFL by last nights horrible showing on national TV.

From what I saw, Moss had to reach for the pass and it was just an inch or two too far.

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-16-2010, 12:47 PM

I agree with Bohnzie.

Kareem Moore has been responsible for many big plays this year.

Regarding Keiland Williams, I think we're starting to see Shanahan's system take effect. He was just running with the line and taking the first hole available. Once we get the blockers, I think we'll see good success with mediocre backs.

Galloway made too many mistakes last night, and I'd forgive him if he wasn't 38 or whatever.

While I hated seeing the Redskins lose, watching Vick was truly awe-inspiring. I appreciate good football, and Vick was out of this world. It was special to watch, even though it had to be against the Skins.

#56fanatic · 11-16-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

From what I saw, Moss had to reach for the pass and it was just an inch or two too far.

It looked to me that he was crossing the middle, then stopped just as McNabb let the ball go, and reached for the ball. Either way, a first down opportunity lost.

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-16-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

I don't get the "fire _____" thing. What we saw last night was a team with lots of good young draft picks and a coaching staff that's been together for a very long time kicking the shit out of a team with very few good young draft picks and a staff that came in this year.

Continuity and slow build through the draft. It takes time. There's no quick fix. Stop dreaming--we've been down that road how many time in the last decade???

You hit the nail on the head.

skinsguy · 11-16-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Kyle Shanahan did not go braindead when he got here. One huge change for him is that he had Andre Johnson to catch the ball thrown by his QB in Houston and he had NO ONE here in Washington who is half as good as Andre Johnson.

I happen to think Kyle Shanahan is very overrated as an "offensive genius" and that if his name were Kyle Flabeetz he would still be a quality control coach at a Diovision 1-AA college somewhere, but his success in Houston came because he had some REALLY good players there and he has precious few of them here.

Yeah but, wouldn't that be the same argument for Bill Walsh? If he hadn't had Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, etc... all hall of fame players, that he wouldn't be held in high regards as a coach?

over the mountain · 11-16-2010, 12:52 PM

i was pretty high on kareem moore compared to horton. moore can lay the wood for sure, but coverage was an unknown. now he is missing tackles, poor angles and being exposed somewhat in coverage.

on a pos note, doughty and alexander continue to be ST coverage monsters. i could see doughty playing his way back into the starting lineup at safety if he continues to excel on specials and moore continues to digress.

MTK · 11-16-2010, 12:54 PM

Moore stinks anytime he has to come up in the box and make a tackle, he gets his ankles broken on a regular basis. Doughty is great on teams but that's where he should stay. We can probably add free safety to our needs list next year.

skinsguy · 11-16-2010, 12:56 PM

What happened to Horton? I mean, he seemed to have a really good rookie season, and then all of a sudden, we don't see him on the field? What gives?

SmootSmack · 11-16-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

What happened to Horton? I mean, he seemed to have a really good rookie season, and then all of a sudden, we don't see him on the field? What gives?

Well he's on IR

over the mountain · 11-16-2010, 01:07 PM

imo horton got overrated by the fan base very early on. he had a deflection int, the next game he had a real nice pick on romo, got named what? defensive rookie of the month i think?

outside of the romo pick, i dont think horton did anything to show he was nothing more than a 7th round pick talent.

between horton, moore and doughty i had hoped one would step forward. seems all three are ok, decent depth/ST players but nothing more. not that it makes them bad players imo, they are what they are (7th round talent) but we hoped one would emerge as a decent enoguh starter. its a shame, i like all 3 players.

huntz · 11-16-2010, 01:19 PM

OK. Philly has weapons at skill positions they nabbed in the draft. How many picks do the 'Skins have in the 2011 draft..or for that matter...2012?

#56fanatic · 11-16-2010, 01:20 PM

it is going to take time to build this team in the mold of what Shanny feels is necessary to win. It isn't going to happen next year either. I hope he is still around year 3, 4 and so on. This organization has this mentality that building takes two years, and if it isn't working then blow the whole thing up and start over. Hopefullly Allen can get into Snyders head and make him realize that it takes a few years to see consistant results. All the teams that are at the top have a proven way to win in the NFL. It is amazing to compare rosters of say Indy, NE, Philly, Pitts, Giants to ours. of the 53 man rosters, 95% of theirs is draft picks. We aren't even sniffing that. We need smart people putting together teams, not Danny putting together FA. Allen has built some good teams in the past, so hopefully between him and Shanny they can put something together by year 3. Problem may be by then we will be searching for another QB. I am not confident that Donovan will be here after this year, even with the signing of the extension. They way is sounds, it is heavily loaded after next year which tends to reason he wont be here after 2011.

11-16-2010, 12:31 PM	#91
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: LOL @ Redskins I gotta tell you, I'm not buying the whole it takes time to adjust to the 3-4 business. This defense is horrible and it wasn't this bad last year. And we do have some talent on that side of the ball, so it's simply not adding up. Of course, we need to upgrades here and there, but still we've fallen off and that's on Haslett.

11-16-2010, 12:35 PM	#92
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: LOL @ Redskins I am first to bash some of the morans that have run this organization the past 10 years. However, it was Shanny that wanted to run this 3-4 this year, vs waiting for the right players to run it. Hazlett is doing the best he can with really nothing to work with. We have maybe 2 or 3 legit 3-4 pieces to have the D work with any consistant results. Orakpo, Fletcher, Landry, maybe Hall (sometimes) the rest of them are really not fitting in. The fact we have forced so many turnovers is quite amazing to me given that fact that we are normally getting run over or out of position, so I give him credit for creating that type of attitude. This game last night turned on a couple of plays. Yeah, the 1st play was a horrible way to start the game. But, we come back and run the ball 3 straight times??. 2nd time with the ball, down 14-0, 3rd down, McNabb get pressured, he moves out and throws a ball that Moss should have caught. I think he felt a little scared of getting hit and stopped running. He catches that, 1st down drive still alive. Instead interception, down 21-0. Next possession, OLD ASS Galloway drops a beautiful thrown ball that would have been a first down, drive still alive. Instead, we punt and now down 28-0. We had opportunities to be in the game but those few plays really summed up the night. Eagles hit every single opportunity given to them. Missed tackles by a bunch of us on that 50 yard run. We make those 1st downs early in the game, keep the ball, drive down get some points and I am not sure, but i think the Eagles consistant aggressive playcalling may have been scaled back a bit. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain by going for the throat after leading 21-0. We will see how this team responds next week. Hopefully, come out with some fire and want to prove something. Because right now, we have once again made ourselves into a joke in the NFL by last nights horrible showing on national TV.

11-16-2010, 12:47 PM	#95
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 43 Posts: 2,762	Re: LOL @ Redskins I agree with Bohnzie. Kareem Moore has been responsible for many big plays this year. Regarding Keiland Williams, I think we're starting to see Shanahan's system take effect. He was just running with the line and taking the first hole available. Once we get the blockers, I think we'll see good success with mediocre backs. Galloway made too many mistakes last night, and I'd forgive him if he wasn't 38 or whatever. While I hated seeing the Redskins lose, watching Vick was truly awe-inspiring. I appreciate good football, and Vick was out of this world. It was special to watch, even though it had to be against the Skins. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

11-16-2010, 12:52 PM	#99
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: LOL @ Redskins i was pretty high on kareem moore compared to horton. moore can lay the wood for sure, but coverage was an unknown. now he is missing tackles, poor angles and being exposed somewhat in coverage. on a pos note, doughty and alexander continue to be ST coverage monsters. i could see doughty playing his way back into the starting lineup at safety if he continues to excel on specials and moore continues to digress. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

11-16-2010, 12:54 PM	#100
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,846	Re: LOL @ Redskins Moore stinks anytime he has to come up in the box and make a tackle, he gets his ankles broken on a regular basis. Doughty is great on teams but that's where he should stay. We can probably add free safety to our needs list next year. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-16-2010, 12:56 PM	#101
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: LOL @ Redskins What happened to Horton? I mean, he seemed to have a really good rookie season, and then all of a sudden, we don't see him on the field? What gives? __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

11-16-2010, 01:07 PM	#103
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: LOL @ Redskins imo horton got overrated by the fan base very early on. he had a deflection int, the next game he had a real nice pick on romo, got named what? defensive rookie of the month i think? outside of the romo pick, i dont think horton did anything to show he was nothing more than a 7th round pick talent. between horton, moore and doughty i had hoped one would step forward. seems all three are ok, decent depth/ST players but nothing more. not that it makes them bad players imo, they are what they are (7th round talent) but we hoped one would emerge as a decent enoguh starter. its a shame, i like all 3 players. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

11-16-2010, 01:19 PM	#104
huntz Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 68 Posts: 311	Re: LOL @ Redskins OK. Philly has weapons at skill positions they nabbed in the draft. How many picks do the 'Skins have in the 2011 draft..or for that matter...2012?

11-16-2010, 01:20 PM	#105
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: LOL @ Redskins it is going to take time to build this team in the mold of what Shanny feels is necessary to win. It isn't going to happen next year either. I hope he is still around year 3, 4 and so on. This organization has this mentality that building takes two years, and if it isn't working then blow the whole thing up and start over. Hopefullly Allen can get into Snyders head and make him realize that it takes a few years to see consistant results. All the teams that are at the top have a proven way to win in the NFL. It is amazing to compare rosters of say Indy, NE, Philly, Pitts, Giants to ours. of the 53 man rosters, 95% of theirs is draft picks. We aren't even sniffing that. We need smart people putting together teams, not Danny putting together FA. Allen has built some good teams in the past, so hopefully between him and Shanny they can put something together by year 3. Problem may be by then we will be searching for another QB. I am not confident that Donovan will be here after this year, even with the signing of the extension. They way is sounds, it is heavily loaded after next year which tends to reason he wont be here after 2011.

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