WFT's Off-Season Thread

[MTK]

Since Kirk left he's 25-21-1 in Minnesota. We're 17-31. Sorry but Kirk wins again.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

Since Kirk left he's 25-21-1 in Minnesota. We're 17-31. Sorry but Kirk wins again.

Yop, and don't forget to factor in that WE (well Bruce Allen) put him in a situation to get that massive contract which impended Minnesota's ability to keep building around him. We probably could've had him for half the avg/yr he's making now. That would have allowed to build a solid team around him.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

Since Kirk left he's 25-21-1 in Minnesota. We're 17-31. Sorry but Kirk wins again.

Wins a bigger participation trophy. Good for him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Wins a bigger participation trophy. Good for him.

Significantly better record than us that's for sure, and a playoff win too.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Since Kirk left he's 25-21-1 in Minnesota. We're 17-31. Sorry but Kirk wins again.

I think it is ridiculous for people to say that Kirk is a scrub and that Heinecke is better than him.

That being said, I don't think Kirk gets us to 25-21-1 had he stayed in our team. He would have given us stability at the position, but we wouldn't have had the offensive pieces he's had in Minnesota.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think it is ridiculous for people to say that Kirk is a scrub and that Heinecke is better than him.

That being said, I don't think Kirk gets us to 25-21-1 had he stayed in our team. He would have given us stability at the position, but we wouldn't have had the offensive pieces he's had in Minnesota.

It's tough to compare QBs since they don't have the same personnel around them.

He's hands down better than anyone we have had since he left though.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think it is ridiculous for people to say that Kirk is a scrub and that Heinecke is better than him.

That being said, I don't think Kirk gets us to 25-21-1 had he stayed in our team. He would have given us stability at the position, but we wouldn't have had the offensive pieces he's had in Minnesota.

We'll never know because we let that ship sail. And then we failed to trade him once it was obvious he wasn't coming back. So many mistakes.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Since Kirk left he's 25-21-1 in Minnesota. We're 17-31. Sorry but Kirk wins again.

Minnesota was 21 - 11 with Keenum and Bradford. KC was a significant downgrade because of his contract value versus the cap. They had to cut or not sign significant pieces because an average to slightly above average QB demanded and received top 3 salary. Like you said, Dak (and KC at the time) got the pay because that is what you had to do to sign a qb in their market, but I am glad we didn't pay KC, and if AS hadn't gotten hurt, records would bear out that we paid less for a better end result.

The point of all of this isn't to rehash KC - you brought him up, but to look at the effect of paying a non elite qb elite money. Better to roll with a mid level and build up the team around him. No matter what, the qb spot will always be a problem that very few teams find long term elite answers for.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Minnesota was 21 - 11 with Keenum and Bradford. KC was a significant downgrade because of his contract value versus the cap. They had to cut or not sign significant pieces because an average to slightly above average QB demanded and received top 3 salary. Like you said, Dak (and KC at the time) got the pay because that is what you had to do to sign a qb in their market, but I am glad we didn't pay KC, and if AS hadn't gotten hurt, records would bear out that we paid less for a better end result.

The point of all of this isn't to rehash KC - you brought him up, but to look at the effect of paying a non elite qb elite money. Better to roll with a mid level and build up the team around him. No matter what, the qb spot will always be a problem that very few teams find long term elite answers for.

I think alot of that is on the GM though his cap hit wasn't that much in 2020 or now in 2021. It will be a doozy in 2022 though! https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesot...-cousins-9915/

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by MTK

Since Kirk left he's 25-21-1 in Minnesota. We're 17-31. Sorry but Kirk wins again.

Casey Keenum was 11-3 with that roster minus the upgrades they added for Kirk. they had a great defence and kick ass receivers with one of the best running games in the league. Kirk was supposed to be the move to get them over the hump and into the superbowl . . . but instead they regressed BAD with kirk at the helm.

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

Casey Keenum was 11-3 with that roster minus the upgrades they added for Kirk. they had a great defence and kick ass receivers with one of the best running games in the league. Kirk was supposed to be the move to get them over the hump and into the superbowl . . . but instead they regressed BAD with kirk at the helm.

Yep ... that’s the way it is !