Betts better than Portis?

[skinsguy]

Hey. We need them both! Both compliment each other quite nicely. I don't believe we need to get rid of anyone.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Hey. We need them both! Both compliment each other quite nicely. I don't believe we need to get rid of anyone.

I agree. Isn't it nice to have two competant running backs? A lot of teams wish they had what we have. As a combo tandem, we might just have the best in all of football.

[jdlea]

We've actually talked about this about 1 million times. However, I'll get into this thread...

Portis is a harder runner. Portis wasn't getting the holes that Betts is now getting. Yes, Betts is looking better than Portis did, however, Portis wasn't 100% and, like I said, he didn't get the same O Line play. Up until this season, Clinton has been far more durable. Betts is a guy who can has a history of injuries. He hasn't had much of a shot to carry the load because he hasn't been reliable very often. Also, how many tds did he score? None. How many does he have this year? 2. Portis has had way more than that this year. I don't wanna hear about TJ being a goal line back because he wasn't when Clinton was healthy. Clinton was the goal line back.

I'm so sick of talking about this.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Also, how many tds did he score? None. How many does he have this year? 2. Portis has had way more than that this year. I don't wanna hear about TJ being a goal line back because he wasn't when Clinton was healthy. Clinton was the goal line back.

Very good point. Betts does seem to have an issue finding the endzone.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

We've actually talked about this about 1 million times. However, I'll get into this thread...

Portis is a harder runner. Portis wasn't getting the holes that Betts is now getting. Yes, Betts is looking better than Portis did, however, Portis wasn't 100% and, like I said, he didn't get the same O Line play. Up until this season, Clinton has been far more durable. Betts is a guy who can has a history of injuries. He hasn't had much of a shot to carry the load because he hasn't been reliable very often. Also, how many tds did he score? None. How many does he have this year? 2. Portis has had way more than that this year. I don't wanna hear about TJ being a goal line back because he wasn't when Clinton was healthy. Clinton was the goal line back.

I'm so sick of talking about this.

Then stop talking *shrug*. I'm a monster CP fan, but you guys act like it's heresy to suggest that he could be more productive if we weren't so busy trying to ram him down everyone's throat to prove how "tough" he is. That's insanity, and a sure way to "Earl Campbellize" our marquee player.

PS, a lot of people were down on CP's rushing TD's in '04, too. I seem to recall a lot of playcalling that looked like this:

1-5 OPP 5: Portis OT no gain.
2-5 OPP 5: Portis OT no gain.
3-5 OPP 5: Portis OT no gain.
4-5 OPP 5: John Hall 23 yd FG is good.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by dgack

Then stop talking *shrug*. I'm a monster CP fan, but you guys act like it's heresy to suggest that he could be more productive if we weren't so busy trying to ram him down everyone's throat to prove how "tough" he is. That's insanity, and a sure way to "Earl Campbellize" our marquee player.

PS, a lot of people were down on CP's rushing TD's in '04, too. I seem to recall a lot of playcalling that looked like this:

1-5 OPP 5: Portis OT no gain.
2-5 OPP 5: Portis OT no gain.
3-5 OPP 5: Portis OT no gain.
4-5 OPP 5: John Hall 23 yd FG is good.

Nobody's acting like that at all. I was pointing out some facts about the situation. Not some hypothetical bs based on 3 starts and other limited action about a player who hasn't been healthy enough to prove anything over the course of his 5 year career other than the fact that he's a good 2nd option.

BTW, as far as telling me to "stop talking" excuse the hell outta me for not feeling talking about the same shit year after year. Wow, now I see exaclty what Daseal was saying.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

BTW, as far as telling me to "stop talking" excuse the hell outta me for not feeling talking about the same shit year after year. Wow, now I see exaclty what Daseal was saying.

Wow, you guys talk about Betts putting together > 100 yard, career high games 3x in a row, year after year? You guys are like, precogs or something!

But hey, don't let me stand in the way of your self-righteous rantin', I mean, hell, it's all already been discussed and agreed upon, what's the purpose of even having a forum?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by dgack

Wow, you guys talk about Betts putting together > 100 yard, career high games 3x in a row, year after year? You guys are like, precogs or something!

I'm pretty sure he was refering to the Betts > Portis threads that pop up every time Betts has a decent game...

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by dgack

Wow, you guys talk about Betts putting together > 100 yard, career high games 3x in a row, year after year? You guys are like, precogs or something!

But hey, don't let me stand in the way of your self-righteous rantin', I mean, hell, it's all already been discussed and agreed upon, what's the purpose of even having a forum?

Oh wow, 3 whole good games? We should go out and get Kelly Holcomb or Bruce Gradkowski or AJ Feely. They all had nice 3 game stretches in their career. Apparently that makes a career. And people keep bringing up the same thing, "he runs harder...he fits the system better..." Wow, have never said that before. How about 1 td in 3 starts? Good for him and his yards.

BTW, great job not addressing anything else in my post. And don't call me self righteous when you're the one who goes "then stop talking."

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dgack

You guys are like, precogs or something!

Wow, a referrance to a Tom Cruise movie, and a mediocre one at best...how can we take you seriously now? haha

[dgack]

Fair enough, the thread title is sensationalist / misleading. If it were titled, "Betts a better fit for Gibbs' gameplan than Portis?" it would be a bit more accurate.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by jdlea

We've actually talked about this about 1 million times. However, I'll get into this thread...

Portis is a harder runner. Portis wasn't getting the holes that Betts is now getting. Yes, Betts is looking better than Portis did, however, Portis wasn't 100% and, like I said, he didn't get the same O Line play. Up until this season, Clinton has been far more durable. Betts is a guy who can has a history of injuries. He hasn't had much of a shot to carry the load because he hasn't been reliable very often. Also, how many tds did he score? None. How many does he have this year? 2. Portis has had way more than that this year. I don't wanna hear about TJ being a goal line back because he wasn't when Clinton was healthy. Clinton was the goal line back.

I'm so sick of talking about this.

How much harder does CP run than Betts ? How many tds does CP have in three years , less than LT has in thirteen games this year ? And , was that CP that had 5 carries inside the 4 against dallas and got ,,,, 0 ? Betts may never be CP , but CP is not bruning up the NFL either . Just be glad we have them both .

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by budw38

How much harder does CP run than Betts ? How many tds does CP have in three years , less than LT has in thirteen games this year ? And , was that CP that had 5 carries inside the 4 against dallas and got ,,,, 0 ? Betts may never be CP , but CP is not bruning up the NFL either . Just be glad we have them both .

Oh really? The fastest guy to 6000 yards ever isn't exactly burning up the NFL?! They announced that during the Texans game. The fastest player ever to 6000. He had 11 td's last year and 7 this year in 9 games, a couple of which he was used very little. Betts has 2 this year. That's a big dropoff. That's how much harder of a runner he is.

And also, I think Tomlinson is the best runner in the NFL and maybe the best back of all time. So, I don't think saying Portis isn't as good at getting to the end zone as Tomlinson isn't exactly an insult.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Oh really? The fastest guy to 6000 yards ever isn't exactly burning up the NFL?! They announced that during the Texans game. The fastest player ever to 6000. He had 11 td's last year and 7 this year in 9 games, a couple of which he was used very little. Betts has 2 this year. That's a big dropoff. That's how much harder of a runner he is.

And also, I think Tomlinson is the best runner in the NFL and maybe the best back of all time. So, I don't think saying Portis isn't as good at getting to the end zone as Tomlinson isn't exactly an insult.

I never said CP was not a heck of a back , just seemed like the origanal point made was that Betts does not run hard . I do not see CP running harder , not saying he does not hit the hole hard , just the fact that Betts has been running as hard as he can . He may be the fastest to 6,000 yds , and thats great , but when I watch the games , he does not seem to take them over like LJ , LT or SA . Again , I'am not questioning him as far as talent , but I watched guys like Payton , Campbell and a few others who would get the ball over and over < without a passing game > and they got stronger and stronger and were almost unstoppable . I can't think of a game where CP constantly ran for 4-5 -6-7 yds all day long dragging defenders and running them over like the others do. Not saying he is not a great back , just not the as dominant as others . Seems like unless he rips off a 25 yd plus run he does not put up big stats . Just my opinion , I give him credit , he ran and blocked very well down the stretch last year , tougher than most his size ! He may have a monster year next year , I hope he gets 1,500 & 500 rec. next year . As far as the TD's , we have been poor on short ydg , take away the 3 td's vs SF last year , thats 8 tds , think he had 3 vs houston this year. Not sure about his td' s in Denver , don't care about Denver . Again nothing against Cp , but many rookies do not get a chance to start right away , and many never lucky enough to play for Gibbs & MS to start there carreer's .

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I agree. Isn't it nice to have two competant running backs? A lot of teams wish they had what we have. As a combo tandem, we might just have the best in all of football.

Exactly! Reminds me of Earnest Byner and Ricky Ervins with Riggs coming in on short yardage. Kind of like what we have now.... Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and TJ Duckett.