is there a way that we the fans can be heard???

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I heard a rumor, don't know how legit it is, that Snyder could actually play a big role in a franchise move to LA. Supposedly he owns (through Six Flags) a major plot of land that is considered a prime location for a stadium. I mean I don't think he has any plan to move the Redskins but still I thought it was interesting

Anyway, as someone who has been a fan for, well, a long time, I'm wondering if in previous lean times (the 60s for example), there was the same backlash or was there not because there weren't the same means of communication that there are now.

Along with that rumor, maybe Tom Cruise has a role in securing a franchise for the Los Angeles area. Snyder could have something in the works with his boy Cruise. If Snyder spurns the DC area and fans boycott do you suppose he'd rename the controversial team name and then move the them to LA?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Along with that rumor, maybe Tom Cruise has a role in securing a franchise for the Los Angeles area. Snyder could have something in the works with his boy Cruise. If Snyder spurns the DC area and fans boycott do you suppose he'd rename the controversial team name and then move the them to LA?

Again, what I wrote was just a rumor that had nothing to do with Snyder moving the team (I'm sure he won't). I was just talking about him allegedly owning (sort of) land that the NFL is interested in for a team in Los Angeles

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Again, what I wrote was just a rumor that had nothing to do with Snyder moving the team (I'm sure he won't). I was just talking about him allegedly owning (sort of) land that the NFL is interested in for a team in Los Angeles

I wish he'd sell this one and start fresh with a new team in LA but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I wish he'd sell this one and start fresh with a new team in LA but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Maybe he can pawn the Skins off on Limbaugh.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I heard a rumor, don't know how legit it is, that Snyder could actually play a big role in a franchise move to LA. Supposedly he owns (through Six Flags) a major plot of land that is considered a prime location for a stadium. I mean I don't think he has any plan to move the Redskins but still I thought it was interesting

Anyway, as someone who has been a fan for, well, a long time, I'm wondering if in previous lean times (the 60s for example), there was the same backlash or was there not because there weren't the same means of communication that there are now.

Hard to say, there are still a million times the people that follow the Redskins only by paper and water cooler and wouldn't see any sort of combined group effort unless spread by more common forms of media, somehow if you got the press into it.. the radio shows, papers, etc

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I heard a rumor, don't know how legit it is, that Snyder could actually play a big role in a franchise move to LA. Supposedly he owns (through Six Flags) a major plot of land that is considered a prime location for a stadium. I mean I don't think he has any plan to move the Redskins but still I thought it was interesting

Anyway, as someone who has been a fan for, well, a long time, I'm wondering if in previous lean times (the 60s for example), there was the same backlash or was there not because there weren't the same means of communication that there are now.

To be honest I don't ever remember a time in the history of the Redskins organization when there was the kind of backlash we've begun to see lately. I went to my first Redskin game two yrs. before Sammy Baugh retired, and all through the years after his retirement we experienced some pretty bad teams until the arival of Vince Lombardi, then George Allen. Fans grew disenchanted during those times as well, but nothing like what we're seeing now.

That rumor about a move to LA I had heard as well that's why I mentioned it the wsay I did in mjy post. It was not something however, I had lend much credence too.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Again, what I wrote was just a rumor that had nothing to do with Snyder moving the team (I'm sure he won't). I was just talking about him allegedly owning (sort of) land that the NFL is interested in for a team in Los Angeles

Yeah...I'm just tangenting on an imaginary topic. How offended would you be if that took place.

Mayflower style, up and move to LA. I think we'd get a new team to DC but you know they wouldn't give us the name Redskins again due to it's (perceived) derogatory nature.

...I'd have to kill someone if that happened.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Yeah...I'm just tangenting on an imaginary topic. How offended would you be if that took place.

Mayflower style, up and move to LA. I think we'd get a new team to DC but you know they wouldn't give us the name Redskins again due to it's (perceived) derogatory nature.

...I'd have to kill someone if that happened.

It would totally suck if he up and moved the franchise...unless he moved it up here to Connecticut

Seriously though, the Washington Redskins belong in DC (or Virginia and Maryland as is the current case)...though I wouldn't kill anyone if it happened

[DFI]

i agree i am encouraged at the backlash (as wierd as that sounds) I have been training my son in the skins way, taken him to games taught him about the history of the team we have a decent amount of skins stuff and he is pretty well up to speed on team history. the sad thing is he is 16 and hasn't been around for any of the good stuff.

if things don't chage it will be a long time till things look up

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

To be honest I don't ever remember a time in the history of the Redskins organization when there was the kind of backlash we've begun to see lately. I went to my first Redskin game two yrs. before Sammy Baugh retired, and all through the years after his retirement we experienced some pretty bad teams until the arival of Vince Lombardi, then George Allen. Fans grew disenchanted during those times as well, but nothing like what we're seeing now.

That rumor about a move to LA I had heard as well that's why I mentioned it the wsay I did in mjy post. It was not something however, I had lend much credence too.

Two years before Baugh retired...that's awesome!

Anyhow, I mean I know there have been some really bad Redskins teams back in the day so why do you think there is backlash now that wasn't there before?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Yeah...I'm just tangenting on an imaginary topic. How offended would you be if that took place.

Mayflower style, up and move to LA. I think we'd get a new team to DC but you know they wouldn't give us the name Redskins again due to it's (perceived) derogatory nature.

...I'd have to kill someone if that happened.

I don't think DS would be able to get 22 other owners to approve a move.

[DFI]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Two years before Baugh retired...that's awesome!

Anyhow, I mean I know there have been some really bad Redskins teams back in the day so why do you think there is backlash now that wasn't there before?

that's what I was thinking talk about back in the day.

I know you didn't ask me about why but i think part of it has to do with the money involved. my family sent me and my son to two games for a BD present two years ago. the tickets came from ebay and stub hub but it set us back well over $1,000 for two days of football, that is not including travel and hotel

when you are spending the money we are talking about and the ownership just jacks up prices and won't get around their ego to put a quaility team together, we have a right to be upset.

you only have to hope they will listen

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Wow that just gave me chills.

Going to games is okay imho because tickets are sold out allready. But dont buy tickets from Stubhub, buy from craigslist or ebay. Wearing brown bags to games, however; is a great idea. Not buying anything at games INCLUDING BEER is a great idea. Only buying knock off Chinese jerseys on eBay is a good idea. And keep posting disappointment comments on messages boards is smart. I listen to a lot of sports radio and fans finnally seem to be calling up and voicing their concern, usually in Richmond no one calls (including myself), so start calling and ALWAYS include some disappointment in the ownership in addition to whatever you might you have to say.

I think just dont stop. I mean look what complacency has gotten us. Look whats saying danny s. wants whats best, he wants the same as us, has given us. Look what saying well cerrato has made some good draft moves in the later rounds, lets not think about the other things has done. Look what saying hey EVERYONE admits the oline is the biggest weakness lets just ignore drafting there because jersey sales take a huge hit if we do has brought this team.

Go to Kings Dominion and Bush Gardens not Six Flags. Buy knock off Redskins gear online not the genuine products from Redskins Stores, redskins.com or even cheap little nick naks like koozies and decals from grocery stores.

Fuck Authentic. Buy Knock Off, if you really love this team. Not just for the rest of this season but until we are legit contenders or ownership has materially changed. If you think any royalties may end up in dannys pocket dont buy. When in doubt just move on.

If you can Stop Caring thats the biggest way to be heard. Thats the hardest thing to do, but maybe the most meaningful. Start routing for you back up teams.

Support your passion not the ownership!

Many fans are also disenchanted with the idea of having to pay for season tickets so far in advance. We think of all the interest paid on that money before we even take a seat, none of which trickles down to anything benificial to the fans. Going to a game is a very expensive proposition anymore, couple that with how the team is being managed, fans are more and more just getting fed up.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Maybe he can pawn the Skins off on Limbaugh.

Limbaugh has forgotten more about football than Snyder or Vinny will ever know. Rush is going to be one of the best owners in the NFL. Put money on it.

[BrennanBeliever]

The simple fact is that technology has stripped the american society of a collective, unifying voice. We are opinionated passive observers each with an individual perspective slightly deafened by the next.

How was so much accomplished during the civil rights movement without the advent of modern technology? A organized, consolidated effort by a minority of like minded revolutionaries advocating positive and proactive change.

If you love this team as I do, lets take a diligent and concerted stand against those in percieved positions of authority and power.

We converge upon Redskins Park in throngs with a universal mantra, like " We love this team but things must change." The media will cover the spectical and it will send the ripple effect across Redskins Nation and a proclamation to Daniel Snyder that we will no longer be subjugated by small minds and deep pockets.

In short we take our team back.

Constructive thoughts and ideas welcome. Please no minutiae.