Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Looks like compensatory picks will be given out today during the owner's meeting.

In unrelated news, the NFL has announced it has seized the Redskins remaining 2012 draft picks and distributed them amongst New York teams with names that end in "Giants" as punishment for their defiance against The Supreme Overlord NFL Management Council.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Extra picks?! AWESOME.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Extra picks?! AWESOME.

Well no word yet on whether the Skins will get any extra picks

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Dammit. I mean the fact other teams were rewarded for this BS means we deserve something for our troubles too.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still don't understand how the Bears dumping almost $35 mil of Pepper's salary is not seen as a competitive advantage.

Actually all that are shown. Houston got a $15mill advantage. The league took 18 form us for one year so why didn't they take 7.5 of Houstons? Dallas had 10 total and they took 5 this yr. Even the Cheifs saved a good bit, why didn't the league split their savings.

I was going to joke and say the limit was $10mill or more but your right the Bears dumped $35mill and no penalty. The whole punishment looks shady when you add all the teams who reworked contracts and saved money but only the two teams who are in the same division as the owner who levied the punishment gets punished?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well no word yet on whether the Skins will get any extra picks

This whole issue aside should we be getting any extra picks for anyone we lost?

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

This whole issue aside should we be getting any extra picks for anyone we lost?

I would love some, but I doubt we'll get any. On a slightly related note, I think the NFL will be distributing compensatory picks at this meeting (correct me if I'm wrong, anyone). So maybe, you can pretend that the second to last pick in the seventh round that we receive this year is compensation for the league taking away our $36 million...

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still don't understand how the Bears dumping almost $35 mil of Pepper's salary is not seen as a competitive advantage.

I looked into it more, his charged salary for that year was around 20 million, and the year before with Carolina he earned 19 million, so it wasn't much of a change

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I looked into it more, his charged salary for that year was around 20 million, and the year before with Carolina he earned 19 million, so it wasn't much of a change

That's still a 15 million dollar difference. If a player had a 20 mil cap hit in 2010 and a 5 mil cap hit in 2011, wouldn't you be saying they did the same thing we did? A 15 million dollar difference is still big. I think the reason we got punished and the Bears didn't was because John Mara doesn't give a crap about the Bears and we are his division rivals.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mooby

That's still a 15 million dollar difference. If a player had a 20 mil cap hit in 2010 and a 5 mil cap hit in 2011, wouldn't you be saying they did the same thing we did? A 15 million dollar difference is still big. I think the reason we got punished and the Bears didn't was because John Mara doesn't give a crap about the Bears and we are his division rivals.

They hammered Dallas for $10 mill.

[SBXVII]

This may have been already provided but I love the comments after the article.....

Cowboys and Redskins Knew They Would Be Punished...So Why the Fuss? | Bleacher Report

When did uncapped means spend only as much money as everyone else is spending and don't use any business sense.

You didn't mention 3 things.

First. John Mara is the owner of the Giants, but you forget to mention that he also happens to be the chairman of the Management Council Executive Committee/Labor for the NFL. John became chairman on October 20th 2011. This department was the one that imposed the fines on two NFC East teams.

In 2011 the redskins where 15.7 million under the cap according to thehogs.net. The redskins salary was only 11.7 million more dollars in 2010 then the cowboys, except the redskins where then fined 26 million more then the Cowboys.

Their was never an agreement not to front load salaries. You can't go back and change the rules, and it seems wickedly suspicious that the owner of the Giants got to fine 2 of the teams in his division and no one else in the NFL. The contracts were approved my the NFLs front office during 2010 and they had a chance to say no then.

This is truly one of the most absurd articles I've ever seen written. The author (or NFL) can't point to any rule that was violated, but concludes that the NFL has some authority to mete out punishment anyway?

A simple example will clearly expose the folly of this all: What if you're submitting a permit to your City to perform renovation work and the City states that there'll be "consequences" for performing those renovations, despite the fact that they can't point to any law you're breaking? You then submit the permit anyways, the City approves it, and you perform the work. Later, the City then cites you for the renovations you performed and assesses punishment on grounds that "we gave your fair warning."

Huh? Unless the City or the NFL had some basis to issue the warning in the first place, the fact that they "warned" the Redskins is garbage. Even if they did have the authority to issue the warning, the fact that NFL (or City in the example) APPROVED the contracts / permit gives rise to what lawyers call estoppel and/or waiver.

What's at issue here is something pretty basic: it's called the "rule of law." If you're not violating something when performing a particular act, you can't be prosecuted for the act itself. How this author concludes an differently is absolutely mind-boggling.

And, as for full disclosure, I'm a die-hard Redskins fan. I'm (understandably) pissed to no end, and am frankly disappointed that the Redskins have resorted to some vanilla means (i.e., arbitration) to strike back at the NFL and people like Mara. Perhaps there are some issues with league politics and such, but if I were them, I'd be in federal court, seeking a TRO/preliminary injunction, and suing for a number of things, including antitrust liability. (Also for full disclosure, I'm a labor lawyer that deals a lot with labor-antitrust issues like these, and would love to help out the Redskins if they pursue this course of action.)

[SmootSmack]

Aaron Nagler recently joined BR. How anyone employs him is beyond me. His opinions are so devoid of reason it's sad. He and I have had a few online encounters

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I looked into it more, his charged salary for that year was around 20 million, and the year before with Carolina he earned 19 million, so it wasn't much of a change

But according to that graphic, the Bears took a 34.9 million cap hit that year and this is the highest compared to the rest of the years in the contract. I am not well versed in cap details, but I see this as an unfair competitive advantage, since the Bears were able to sign one of the top DEs in the league and take a 35 million cap hit during the uncapped season.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

This may have been already provided but I love the comments after the article.....

Cowboys and Redskins Knew They Would Be Punished...So Why the Fuss? | Bleacher Report

I like the poll on that page, out of about 900 respondents, it's running 85% against the league. I know it's unscientific, and probably most reading the article are Skins/cowboys fans(my assumption), but still 85%...

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

They hammered Dallas for $10 mill.

Point? We both got hammered because we're both division rivals. I was just focusing on the Redskins.