Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I would love Hanyesworth to show up and act like a proffessional and be a contributing factor all season long. Then just do it??!! Ill take great on the field too that is why I mentioned it. Im not saying he is not a force, he can be dominant, ill give credit where it is do. Yes he can keep his mouth shut and act like everyone should and mostly does, a professional. That is not too much to ask, and IT IS EXPECTED. All these factors do contribute to Haynesworth possibly being let go or traded, Shanny has the rep, the article is a backing piece. If he cant get with the program, then trade him for good/great Olineman and a pick...Haynesworth best use anyway is a 4-3 DT, not anywhere in a 3-4, plus insiders have stated he prefers not to play nosetackle....and TO is old and talent has certainly dwindled, he is not a great player anymore and Bruce Allen is certainly is going to pay him what he wants, tooooooooo bad.

Well brother, from what we learned from this thread, if he doesn't show up, he could very well be gone. I hope not.

[Longtimefan]

I've spent all morning analyzing JR's post and found some of the comments most interesting. A very diversified group of responses. Someone posted the question, where is the PU in all of this, or is this a line they just don't want to cross?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Yay! another Haynesworth thread! The only thing im concerned about now is what he's actually worth in terms of compensation. I think a low first rounder or an equivalent package of picks and/or players.

[SmootSmack]

Good stuff Matty.

I talked to Plummer a couple of years back and the topic of football and Shanahan came up, and let me just say he got pretty damn heated. I don't think there's any love lost there.

This whole thing in a way kind of reminds me of when Marty came in and suddenly cut Larry Centers for not going with the game plan. Keep in mind back then Centers was our offensive stud.

Still think Portis is more likely to go than AH though

[Schneed10]

I like instilling discipline in the team. If you think back to every winning streak of substance that we've had since 2000, it took place under a disciplined coach. Marty got us to finish 8-3 after a 0-5 start. Gibbs had two big finishes to the season to qualify for the playoffs. So I love that Shanahan's got that approach.

But there are a number of things to reconcile here. We can draw comparisons between Haynesworth and Plummer, but the bottom line is Shanahan drafted Cutler at 11th overall, so he already had Plummer's replacement lined up. He doesn't have any semblance of replacement for Albert Haynesworth.

That's why you hear Schefter say we're not actively trying to shop him. The thinking on Haynesworth is likely that, for the right player or package, we'll move him. After all, we did try to move him for McNabb. But since we don't have a remotely adequate replacement at NT, we can't move him unless the package really is that appealing.

Unlike Plummer, it will be hard for us to move Haynesworth for a package good enough to make it worth the massive hole we'll have at the NT position.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I like instilling discipline in the team. If you think back to every winning streak of substance that we've had since 2000, it took place under a disciplined coach. Marty got us to finish 8-3 after a 0-5 start. Gibbs had two big finishes to the season to qualify for the playoffs. So I love that Shanahan's got that approach.

But there are a number of things to reconcile here. We can draw comparisons between Haynesworth and Plummer, but the bottom line is Shanahan drafted Cutler at 11th overall, so he already had Plummer's replacement lined up. He doesn't have any semblance of replacement for Albert Haynesworth.

That's why you hear Schefter say we're not actively trying to shop him. The thinking on Haynesworth is likely that, for the right player or package, we'll move him. After all, we did try to move him for McNabb. But since we don't have a remotely adequate replacement at NT, we can't move him unless the package really is that appealing.

Unlike Plummer, it will be hard for us to move Haynesworth for a package good enough to make it worth the massive hole we'll have at the NT position.

I don't think of discipline when I hear Joe Gibbs name. I let too much slide his second time here and I think those two runs for the playoffs was more of the team ralling around him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't think of discipline when I hear Joe Gibbs name. I let too much slide his second time here and I think those two runs for the playoffs was more of the team ralling around him.

There are different types of discipline.

Gibbs wasn't a stickler or control freak, but he definitely had control and the respect of the locker room at all times.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There are different types of discipline.

Gibbs wasn't a stickler or control freak, but he definitely had control and the respect of the locker room at all times.

I also think he had favorites. While he had control and respect, there may have been some resentment between players as to the preferential treatment some seemed to receive. I think it's pretty clear from some of the comments made at the time and since that there were players who "had the ear of the coach" even under Gibbs. Maybe it wasn't too much of a problem b/c Gibbs knew how to manage the prima donnas.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I also think he had favorites. While he had control and respect, there may have been some resentment between players as to the preferential treatment some seemed to receive. I think it's pretty clear from some of the comments made at the time and since that there were players who "had the ear of the coach" even under Gibbs. Maybe it wasn't too much of a problem b/c Gibbs knew how to manage the prima donnas.

Oh yeah no doubt. He definitely treated some of his stars and leaders differently.

[Ruhskins]

Why don't they just make these damn workouts mandatory? Every year we go through this shit with at least a team.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why don't they just make these damn workouts mandatory? Every year we go through this shit with at least a team.

Because they can't per the collective bargaining agreement.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because they can't per the collective bargaining agreement.

Then coaches need to stop making such big f'ing deal out of it. Basically in any situation it becomes an "unwritten" rule then, and it is annoying and distracting (by both sides, players and coaches).

[RememberRFK]

I can see Shanny blowing out Fatal Bert because of his attitude and selfishness but at the same time, after paying him all of that "KASHE", wouldn't you rather see Shanny proceed in some other direction. To get some of his "KASHE" back?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by RememberRFK

I can see Shanny blowing out Fatal Bert because of his attitude and selfishness but at the same time, after paying him all of that "KASHE", wouldn't you rather see Shanny proceed in some other direction. To get some of his "KASHE" back?

Dude, please stop with the Fatal Bert, it's moronic.

[Donovan F. McNabb]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Then coaches need to stop making such big f'ing deal out of it. Basically in any situation it becomes an "unwritten" rule then, and it is annoying and distracting (by both sides, players and coaches).

I agree with you to a certain extent, but the culture at Redskins Park was in need of a serious overhaul. I'm not for "sending a message" every offseason, but I do think Shanahan has every right to lay down the law. The culture of player entitlement and me-first has got to go if we ever hope to be real contenders.