Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Donovan F. McNabb

I agree with you to a certain extent, but the culture at Redskins Park was in need of a serious overhaul. I'm not for "sending a message" every offseason, but I do think Shanahan has every right to lay down the law. The culture of player entitlement and me-first has got to go if we ever hope to be real contenders.

The culture that really needs to be changed is the culture of change. The more things change the more they stay the same.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why don't they just make these damn workouts mandatory? Every year we go through this shit with at least a team.

I think this is an excellent point!

[GMScud]

Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.

Very good point. Which is why this whole Haynesworth situation doesn't sit well with me. I can maybe agree with the whole workout situation, although to me this whole deal with "voluntary" workout is very stupid. However, it bothers me that Shanahan and Co. would want to play AH out of position as a 3-4 NT. AH has gone on record saying that he'll play whatever position the team wants him to play, but I do agree with him that he'd be a force at DE.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Very good point. Which is why this whole Haynesworth situation doesn't sit well with me. I can maybe agree with the whole workout situation, although to me this whole deal with "voluntary" workout is very stupid. However, it bothers me that Shanahan and Co. would want to play AH out of position as a 3-4 NT. AH has gone on record saying that he'll play whatever position the team wants him to play, but I do agree with him that he'd be a force at DE.

I have spoken to some people recently who wonder if this whole thing with Haynesworth is not being done out of retalliation because Shanahan was dissapointed in the fact he chose an off-season conditioning program that didn't coinside with what he wanted.

I have no problem with discipline, but discipline and revenge are two different things. Having a HC that controlling can eventually cause internal strife. It may not happen right away because it's all new to the guys right now, but down the line I could see it working to his disadvantage.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.

True, but what message would it send when you have every player on the team except ONE participating in the OTAs and workout program. Doesn't that signal that the ONE player is being treated differently?

I think MS is sending a message to the team: "I am fair, I am even-handed, I want equality." Primadonnas might not like that message, but the 52 other guys on the starting roster will appreciate that and it will prevent resentment in the locker room.

CP is a perfect example...clearly there is a ton of resentment toward CP from other players about the special treatment he has received over the years. MS is just letting folks know that he's not going to tolerate that. I think he'll make more allies from the players because of it, rather than enemies.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.

Couldn't agree more.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.

:thumb:

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.

I think Shanahan and Allen are intent on completely changing the culture that was here the past two years, and I think they feel if they have to push it to an extreme to get the message across so be it.

[Longtimefan]

JR......Redskins Insider is hell bent on keeping the Haynesworth saga alive and well. Of the ten post on his lead page, five of them are about Albert Haynesworth.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Shanahan and Allen are intent on completely changing the culture that was here the past two years, and I think they feel if they have to push it to an extreme to get the message across so be it.

Do you know if Shannahan and Allen are working more as a team with Shanny having the final say or is it more of Shanny saying - Bruce, do this, this, and this. Just curious as to whether, so far (and admittedly it wayyyy early), Shanny seems to be putting a small part of his ego aside.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Do you know if Shannahan and Allen are working more as a team with Shanny having the final say or is it more of Shanny saying - Bruce, do this, this, and this. Just curious as to whether, so far (and admittedly it wayyyy early), Shanny seems to be putting a small part of his ego aside.

Definitely working together. It's not "Hey Bruce, go get McNabb" or "Hey Mike, I just got McNabb"

It's more "Hey Mike, made a few phone calls and I think we can get McNabb. Let's talk about it" (they discuss) "Sounds great Bruce, go for it"

[MTK]

Why would the players union get involved at all? AH isn't obligated to show, but at the same time the Skins aren't doing anything wrong by shopping him. Neither side is technically in the wrong, they just aren't on the same page.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Why would the players union get involved at all? AH isn't obligated to show, but at the same time the Skins aren't doing anything wrong by shopping him. Neither side is technically in the wrong, they just aren't on the same page.

That's a good question. My only reason to mention was because it was an obvious concern of a post reader, and I usually take a few moments each morning to read the various comments.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Why would the players union get involved at all? AH isn't obligated to show, but at the same time the Skins aren't doing anything wrong by shopping him. Neither side is technically in the wrong, they just aren't on the same page.

I was thinking the exact same thing after reading two pages. That, and JR wants to keep the AH story going. For him, stirring the pot is what he does best.

AH makes more money than MS, bottom line. The man is expensive. MS is all about himself and the team. It's not the money thing for him, it's control.

Two different philosophies on life.

The third philosophy I'm just not sure about is Jim Haslett's defense.