SI Ranks Offensive Backfields

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

When you average 16 points a game, you deserve to be ranked in the bottom of the league. Portis doesn't have to prove anything to me. Let Campbell prove them wrong.

I honestly believe this problem will be solved. Maybe I should say it better get solved. Having Thomas practicing like a monster cause he feels he has something to prove is a plus. Having Davis working hard also to be more of a factor is a plus also. hoping Kelly stays healthy and supprises everyone maybe just that ....hoping. but if he can then we have one of the better teams WR wise. Moss and Thomas (speedsters), ARE and Kelly (possession WR's), then the two TE sets. I liked Yodder but he is not lighting in a bottle like Davis is. To have Cooley and Davis on the field together will cause problems for other teams. or so I believe.

I want to blame Zorn for some of it but I can't. He had his plate full the first yr with having to teach everyone his offense. Then try to get it implimented. Now he can add more plays and wrinkles to it. Honestly 8-8 was not bad for a team having a new HC, new offense, and a huge learning curve for coach's as well as players. Now if Zorn can't seem to get beyond 8-8 with a team knowing the offense better and having more weapons then he does need to go.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

yeah, it had nothing to do with our 4th ranked defense...what world are you living in making that statement?

Dude, don't start. Our defense won some games for us as well (Philly, Week 16). But also struggled mightily when we finished 2-6. And then there was St. Louis, Pittsburgh, etc.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Dude, don't start. Our defense won some games for us as well (Philly, Week 16). But also struggled mightily when we finished 2-6. And then there was St. Louis, Pittsburgh, etc.

Well the offense not moving the ball and having a lot of 3 and outs caused our defense to get tired in most of those. I think the defense played admirably for most of those games though. They kept us in the game by keeping the score low all the way up till usually the late 3rd or 4th quarter. I think if the offense can muster atleast 21-30 points a game then the defense will look better. but I would love to be the supprise team in getting the 40 points a game this yr. and I believe it is possible with the talent we have this yr. A few more WR's to help out JC (Kelly, Thomas). Maybe a change of pace back in Alridge who is fast as.....you know what. Maybe just using him with Portis will be a threat to other teams in a 2 back system. Portis either runs it up the middle or Alridge takes it to the outside. Defenses would have to be on their toes.

Speed packages with Moss, Thomas, and Alridge out as a WR as he was used in college will create problems.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Well the offense not moving the ball and having a lot of 3 and outs caused our defense to get tired in most of those. I think the defense played admirably for most of those games though. They kept us in the game by keeping the score low all the way up till usually the late 3rd or 4th quarter. I think if the offense can muster atleast 21-30 points a game then the defense will look better. but I would love to be the supprise team in getting the 40 points a game this yr. and I believe it is possible with the talent we have this yr. A few more WR's to help out JC (Kelly, Thomas). Maybe a change of pace back in Alridge who is fast as.....you know what. Maybe just using him with Portis will be a threat to other teams in a 2 back system. Portis either runs it up the middle or Alridge takes it to the outside. Defenses would have to be on their toes.

Speed packages with Moss, Thomas, and Alridge out as a WR as he was used in college will create problems.

In the Pittsburgh game, we went three and out a lot. But all the points they scored were scored right at the beginning of the second half, before conventional fatigue could set in. They were actually much better when you would think they would have been fatigued.

Outside of the Baltimore game, our defense played significantly worse in the first half than in the second half last year. So I'm just not buying the fatigue argument. A fatigued team doesn't get stronger as the game goes on, which we did.

I agree that our offense should be better next year.

[redskins1974]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Dude, don't start. Our defense won some games for us as well (Philly, Week 16). But also struggled mightily when we finished 2-6. And then there was St. Louis, Pittsburgh, etc.

and what about our 8 losses where we averaged 11 point per game - almost every game other then the SF game should be blamed on the offense. Our offense was about 20th in the league (yards) and about 27th (points), and our D was 4th. its obvious where our problem is. I agree with SI's rank.

Your going to blame our D in the Steelers game. We scored 6 points!

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

What has Campbell done since hes been our QB that makes anyone think he should be rated higher than 26 with Portis? The 2nd half of the season the Redskins sucked. I will say part of that is the offensive line. Part of it also was Campbell and his terrible passing where he seemed to want to throw balls over WRs heads and get them decked, throw to the WRs feet, throw behind the WR, or throw to a WR behind the 1st down marker.

Im banking on Campbell playing better in the 2nd year of Zorns offense, and the fact that hes in a contract year. I just cant say SI screwed the Skins over in these rankings when as of today Campbell/Portis hasnt done anything to suggest they should be ranked higher based on what happened last season when we actually played good teams in the 2nd half.

What has San Fran, Tampa Bay, KC, Denver, or the Jets done to rank higher? Just because you're not happy with the way JC played last year doesn't make our backfield 26th in the league. If you think fans of these other teams are tickled pink with their QB situation you're dreaming. Cassell isn't playing with NE this year and Randy Moss and Wes Welker won't be in KC waiting for him. Larry Jones hasn't played a full season the last 2 years. Sanchez is a rookie and Jones is good, but not better than Portis. Shaun Hill and Frank Gore? Do you even know who's going to start for TB? Tell me what these other teams have done to be ranked higher. I don't really give a rats ass about this poll but the grass isn't always greener on the other side. I think our perception of the other teams becomes a little slanted by some of the disappointment of our own expectations of the Redskins.

[dirtythirty]

Shaun Hill and Frank Gore are six spots ahead of JC or CP. I dont agree with those ranking at all. Were both of our backs not being considered MVP's during the first half of the season? I def. think we are in the top 20...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

and what about our 8 losses where we averaged 11 point per game - almost every game other then the SF game should be blamed on the offense. Our offense was about 20th in the league (yards) and about 27th (points), and our D was 4th. its obvious where our problem is. I agree with SI's rank.

Your going to blame our D in the Steelers game. We scored 6 points!

1) I said don't start. You're entitled to your opinion. You'll be happier keeping it to yourself.

2) Not the NYG game? Not the Cincinnati game? I dunno man, an average performance in those three (SF included) games, and we could have easily been 5-3 in the second half of the year. And that's still including the full on offensive collapse from units that weren't the offensive backfield. Even if you give back the second Philly game as one that you would have thought we lost by the way our offense performed, that's 10-6, plus a playoff berth.

True, there were games we got blown out in where our defense, and offense both played poorly. You could say that Pittsburgh blew us out. That Baltimore blew us out. That the Giants blew us out on opening night. You could even argue that Dallas blew us out coming out of our bye (even though that was a 4 point spread, we got so badly outplayed in that second half). But it was those other 4 losses where the defense, not the offense let us down. And that number trumps the amount of games our "No. 4" defense won for us.

[GTripp0012]

My question to you: is there any of our first seven wins that we still get had our offense been terrible in those games. Not terrible, as PPG would argue. Terrible as you are trying to say they are. Do we beat NO with a terrible offense? Arizona? Dallas, Philly? Detroit or Seattle?

I think our defense won the Cleveland game, and I think they won the second Eagles game. But that leaves 6 wins that I don't think happen without BOTH Campbell and Portis.

Originally Posted by 53Fan

What has San Fran, Tampa Bay, KC, Denver, or the Jets done to rank higher? Just because you're not happy with the way JC played last year doesn't make our backfield 26th in the league. If you think fans of these other teams are tickled pink with their QB situation you're dreaming. Cassell isn't playing with NE this year and Randy Moss and Wes Welker won't be in KC waiting for him. Larry Jones hasn't played a full season the last 2 years. Sanchez is a rookie and Jones is good, but not better than Portis. Shaun Hill and Frank Gore? Do you even know who's going to start for TB? Tell me what these other teams have done to be ranked higher. I don't really give a rats ass about this poll but the grass isn't always greener on the other side. I think our perception of the other teams becomes a little slanted by some of the disappointment of our own expectations of the Redskins.

I think the rankings are wrong. Some of these teams are ranked too high or too low. I also think that Campbell/Portis will play better than some of the teams ranked ahead of them.

All im pointing out is its hard for me to debate Campbell/Portis being ahead of teams that also have flaws. Until Campbell steps up his game and throws with alot more accuracy Im not going to go up and down this list (that is really pointless) and say the Skins are better than maybe 3 or 4 teams on this list.

As for my perception of other teams in the league I know every team in the league inside and out. The bottom line is Campbell hasnt shown me he can be a successful starting QB in the NFL. He still has the potenial to be pretty good but until he shows me it on the field I cant debate moving him ahead of any team.

[redskins1974]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

1) I said don't start. You're entitled to your opinion. You'll be happier keeping it to yourself.

2) Not the NYG game? Not the Cincinnati game? I dunno man, an average performance in those three (SF included) games, and we could have easily been 5-3 in the second half of the year. And that's still including the full on offensive collapse from units that weren't the offensive backfield. Even if you give back the second Philly game as one that you would have thought we lost by the way our offense performed, that's 10-6, plus a playoff berth.

True, there were games we got blown out in where our defense, and offense both played poorly. You could say that Pittsburgh blew us out. That Baltimore blew us out. That the Giants blew us out on opening night. You could even argue that Dallas blew us out coming out of our bye (even though that was a 4 point spread, we got so badly outplayed in that second half). But it was those other 4 losses where the defense, not the offense let us down. And that number trumps the amount of games our "No. 4" defense won for us.

Which NYG game? The game we scored 7 points or the other game we scored 7 points? And the Bengals? we scored 13 points against a pathetic Bengals Defense...your arguments dont make sense! 7 points in bpth NY games

wow....you have interesting math.
1) Offense 16.6 points per game (27th in league)
2) Defense 18.5 points per game ( 6th in league)

and you still maintain the offense won us more games then the defense. classic

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I think the rankings are wrong. Some of these teams are ranked too high or too low. I also think that Campbell/Portis will play better than some of the teams ranked ahead of them.

All im pointing out is its hard for me to debate Campbell/Portis being ahead of teams that also have flaws. Until Campbell steps up his game and throws with alot more accuracy Im not going to go up and down this list (that is really pointless) and say the Skins are better than maybe 3 or 4 teams on this list.

As for my perception of other teams in the league I know every team in the league inside and out. The bottom line is Campbell hasnt shown me he can be a successful starting QB in the NFL. He still has the potenial to be pretty good but until he shows me it on the field I cant debate moving him ahead of any team.

Fair enough. You certainly have a right to your opinion. I think the same could be said for some of the QB's ranked ahead of him. As for me, I think he showed last year he can be a successful starting QB. I'm not saying he doesn't need to improve, he does, but I think he's as good as some who are ranked higher.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

1) I said don't start. You're entitled to your opinion. You'll be happier keeping it to yourself.

2) Not the NYG game? Not the Cincinnati game? I dunno man, an average performance in those three (SF included) games, and we could have easily been 5-3 in the second half of the year. And that's still including the full on offensive collapse from units that weren't the offensive backfield. Even if you give back the second Philly game as one that you would have thought we lost by the way our offense performed, that's 10-6, plus a playoff berth.

True, there were games we got blown out in where our defense, and offense both played poorly. You could say that Pittsburgh blew us out. That Baltimore blew us out. That the Giants blew us out on opening night. You could even argue that Dallas blew us out coming out of our bye (even though that was a 4 point spread, we got so badly outplayed in that second half). But it was those other 4 losses where the defense, not the offense let us down. And that number trumps the amount of games our "No. 4" defense won for us.

Then perhaps the defense should not have been ranked 4th. I don't know. I like to fool myself and say most of our losses were due to injuies to the O-line and lack of WR's and quite possibly teams that ran the 3-4 that had a big nose tackle. Rahbach to me seemed to get steam rolled in those games. I could be way off. Defensively the team could not get off the field to save it's life. Lastly the team is simply going to just have a bad day.

Now if you going to prove me wrong I'm just going to cry. LOL. Cause in my little pea brain these things can be fixed. LOL.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

Which NYG game? The game we scored 7 points or the other game we scored 7 points? And the Bengals? we scored 13 points against a pathetic Bengals Defense...your arguments dont make sense! 7 points in bpth NY games

wow....you have interesting math.
1) Offense 16.6 points per game (27th in league)
2) Defense 18.5 points per game ( 6th in league)

and you still maintain the offense won us more games then the defense. classic

Well, first of all, you didn't even watch the games in the first half of the season. This I'm sure of.

Secondly, what do you have for me that aren't yards and points? Surely, you aren't trying to argue that points are the end game. Too many factors that you aren't accounting for. You're essentially saying that turnovers, negative plays, and who the opponent is do not matter.

What you've shown here is that the Redskins had a slightly negative point differential. I'd say you have shown that they were maybe a 7-9, or maybe 8-8 team. This I could draw from what you've argued. As for whose fault it all is, well, are you going to make that argument, or are you just going to bring up something I've successfully disputed twice over the last five months, and hope like hell it speaks for itself?

Man, if only you had watched in September...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Defensively the team could not get off the field to save it's life.

Now if you going to prove me wrong I'm just going to cry. LOL. Cause in my little pea brain these things can be fixed. LOL.

Pretty much, yeah.

In my opinion, we fixed what ailed our defense this offseason. So, if our defense ends up being worse than last year, color me as surprised than the rest of you. I'm optimistic on next year. I think we'll be improved in all three phases of the game.