Campbell will now stay away from Redskins Park

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Stan Humphries, Rich Gannon, Trent Green, Brad Johnson... All these guys where given up on too early. It all started when Rypien took us all the way. With Stan Humphries as the back-up, i was hoping the reigns would be handed over to him, but Rypien screwed up, got fat in canada, and came back as a shadow of his former self, while Stan turned an 0-4 team into the first to go from 0-4 to 11-5 and into the playoffs. Rich Gannon wasn't given a fair chance. I STILL have no clue why we let go of Trent Green. he was part of one of the best offenses of the last decade as a chief. Brad Johnson went straight from the redskins to the superbowl, and for who... Toney Banks? Coach Killer Jeff George!?! Poor Ramsey was cursed with a HORRIBLE coach and no-oline. The poor kid never had a chance. Then there was teh chump who I will not name that we traded for Santana. The guy was just like T.O., made tons of catches, but only on 1st and 2nd down. He was the opposite of Art Monk, whenever we needed the first, he dropped passes by Ramsey, Brunnel, and Hasselbeck. He's better now and i almost wouldn't mind him back on the team... but I trust him as much as T.O. ... which isn't much.

I not only wish Jason the best elsewhere, with our track record, i expect it.

Better to remain silent and be thought the fool, than speak and remove all doubt

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Better to remain silent and be thought the fool, than speak and remove all doubt

MWAHAHAHHAAAA!

McShay could take this advice to the bank.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Better to remain silent and be thought the fool, than speak and remove all doubt

Cute. Pointless, but cute.

How bout this one, "He who does not learn from the past is doomed to repeat it." People tell me not to re-hash the past but that's exactly what our new management is doing! The Shan-man turn McNabb into the next Elway and Allen wants to be like George and create his own 'Over The Hill Gang'.

Seems that I'm not the onlyone looking back. We're looking forward too. I'm just looking forward in less rosey glasses. Look, I don't care if they somehow snagged Peyton Manning and reeled in Adam Vinetari, until our offensive line is repared, i'm not gonna be happy, ESPECIALY with an injury prone QB like McNabb. The biggest improvement he'll have is the running game, but he's getting a downgrade in o-line and receivers.

You do the math: Older QB (injury Prone) + crappy line + crappy backup = ???

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Cute. Pointless, but cute.

How bout this one, "He who does not learn from the past is doomed to repeat it." People tell me not to re-hash the past but that's exactly what our new management is doing! The Shan-man turn McNabb into the next Elway and Allen wants to be like George and create his own 'Over The Hill Gang'.

We can't get starting young guys just through the draft and in case you haven't noticed, quality guys that are 25 and available are few and far between.

Every team signs veterans man. We didn't just lock up these guys for 4-7 years like we have in the past and committed our future to them. We offered up some short contracts and cut a lot of dead weight, something that we haven't been doing recently.

If you can't see the difference then that's your own fault.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

We can't get starting young guys just through the draft and in case you haven't noticed, quality guys that are 25 and available are few and far between.

Every team signs veterans man. We didn't just lock up these guys for 4-7 years like we have in the past and committed our future to them. We offered up some short contracts and cut a lot of dead weight, something that we haven't been doing recently.

If you can't see the difference then that's your own fault.

The last lineman we drafted is just now retiring after so many probowls it isn't funny. What we needed to draft most is our O-Line. Of the 3 best, with the choice at the #4 and #37 draft spots and as many great QBs and teams in need of them, I'm sure our chances were better than with jsut the one spot. You think we have a better chance WITHOUT the second round pick?

I hope we can get a 2nd rounder for JC somehow...

as for "Every team signs veterans", I guess you see youth in our backfield huh? CP, LJ, and FWP i'm sure will make up the oldest HB trio this season. (lol, FWP! I wonder if the F part is still accurate)

The corner we picked up from the Lions ain't no spring chicken either. He's my age, older than any of the other CBs. Kemoeatu is 31 too, not old for a NT, but 8 years in the front line is no walk in the park. Then there's McNabb and his injuries. Grossman, Ryan, Hicks... I don't think we've signed anyone under 30 but Willie Parker!?!!

The part that kills me is that if/WHEN McNabb gets hurt, next up to bat is a guy who's best season is worse than Jason campbell's WORST season, who has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns, and isn't as mobile. A pocket QB with no pocket... Hmm...

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Cute. Pointless, but cute.

If anything was pointless it was your original rambling post that was long on hyperbole, short on substance

How bout this one, "He who does not learn from the past is doomed to repeat it." People tell me not to re-hash the past but that's exactly what our new management is doing! The Shan-man turn McNabb into the next Elway and Allen wants to be like George and create his own 'Over The Hill Gang'.

If Shanahan turns McNabb into the next Elway (two SBs) and Allen creates an "Over the Hill Gang" that reaches the SB, I would say they learned from the past pretty well.

Seems that I'm not the onlyone looking back. We're looking forward too. I'm just looking forward in less rosey glasses. Look, I don't care if they somehow snagged Peyton Manning and reeled in Adam Vinetari, until our offensive line is repared, i'm not gonna be happy, ESPECIALY with an injury prone QB like McNabb. The biggest improvement he'll have is the running game, but he's getting a downgrade in o-line and receivers.

Injury prone McNabb. Really? McNabb missed 4 games in the last 3 years. Campbell missed 3 games in the last 3 years is he injury prone too?

You do the math: Older QB (injury Prone) + crappy line + crappy backup = ???

How about this equation: Experienced QB (playoffs & SB) + Let's wait until training camp opens and see who's here before we throw out "crappy line" + QB who knows the new system / fans who need to get a clue = Relax it's not even draft time yet and we made a major improvement to the most important position on the field for a 2nd rounder and a conditional 3/4th.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If anything was pointless it was your original rambling post that was long on hyperbole, short on substance

If Shanahan turns McNabb into the next Elway (two SBs) and Allen creates an "Over the Hill Gang" that reaches the SB, I would say they learned from the past pretty well.

Injury prone McNabb. Really? McNabb missed 4 games in the last 3 years. Campbell missed 3 games in the last 3 years is he injury prone too?

How about this equation: Experienced QB (playoffs & SB) + Let's wait until training camp opens and see who's here before we throw out "crappy line" + QB who knows the new system / fans who need to get a clue = Relax it's not even draft time yet and we made a major improvement to the most important position on the field for a 2nd rounder and a conditional 3/4th.

Preach!

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If anything was pointless it was your original rambling post that was long on hyperbole, short on substance

If Shanahan turns McNabb into the next Elway (two SBs) and Allen creates an "Over the Hill Gang" that reaches the SB, I would say they learned from the past pretty well.

Injury prone McNabb. Really? McNabb missed 4 games in the last 3 years. Campbell missed 3 games in the last 3 years is he injury prone too?

How about this equation: Experienced QB (playoffs & SB) + Let's wait until training camp opens and see who's here before we throw out "crappy line" + QB who knows the new system / fans who need to get a clue = Relax it's not even draft time yet and we made a major improvement to the most important position on the field for a 2nd rounder and a conditional 3/4th.

You use nice big words, too bad they don't make sense. When did I exaggerate? How did I lack substance? You described your OWN post better than mine.
I think it's funny that If I look back I'm "re-hashing the past" but everyone else is free to pretend McNabb will be Elway. News flash, We don't have Terrell Davis, our star runningback is a guy I like but the REST of you guys treat like an 80 year old has been. Every time i make a positive post about CP people act like I'm him under an alias. Then there's the fact that Elway wasn't taken from another team and his offense was only tweaked with better players and ... you know what. if you wanna dream, dream away.

As for "Relax it's not even draft time yet and we made a major improvement to the most important position" i beg to differ. What we've needed most is our O-Line issues to be handled and THAT has not come to pass.

You compare us to the 2 time winning Broncos? This is more like Kansas City when they picked up aging Joe Montana and aging Marcus Allen and expected that to be enough.

Yeah, I'm gonna be 'glass half empty' guy until we have a solid O-Line. Dream on

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

BTW, Brad Johnson was ranked 19 in the top QB category as a Redskin his last season. he was ranked 16 in tampa bay the next year as well as the year before he won the superbowl. Two ex-redskin QBs battled it out in the Super Bowl... Ugh...

I'm sorry if i'm raining on some people's parade. My dad, from whom I inherited my Skinz fan gene, is really happy about McNabb coming here. He feels bad that JC will likely go, but he's confident that we'll get more than most think he's worth in return. I'm just finding it hard to be as optimistic.

[MTK]

Let the past go, just let it go. It's a new era. Re-hashing the past is pointless.

[MTK]

Past decisions and moves from previous eras have no effect on what's being done today.

[Mechanix544]

I dont care the reason why he isnt at the park. Why the hell would he be. That would be awkward as shit for him. But I sure am glad to see him go.

[DBUCHANON101]

There are many "great guys" who arent in the league right now because they werent great players. JC is a class act, but noone is beating down the door to have him as their QB.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

There are many "great guys" who arent in the league right now because they werent great players. JC is a class act, but noone is beating down the door to have him as their QB.

So true

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

There are many "great guys" who arent in the league right now because they werent great players. JC is a class act, but noone is beating down the door to have him as their QB.

I think that class act part might have helped him on some level. I mean he's obviously a talent but in a league with guys like Pacman Jones I'm pretty sure it's made people want to believe in JC a little more then they would otherwise. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if JC had complained a year or two earlier it would have been so much easier to get rid of him, however his demeanor makes people want to root for him and makes people want to be around him.

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think he's hung up on the fact nobody called JC to tell him we were trading for Donovan. JC got his feelings hurt again.

Do you mean before the trade was finished? Because if so thats a great way to create a leak. You tell Jason that you're seriously trying to trade for McNabb, Jason tells a friend, that friend ends up as an anonymous source somewhere.