LOL @ Redskins

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I agree with Bohnzie.

Kareem Moore has been responsible for many big plays this year.

Regarding Keiland Williams, I think we're starting to see Shanahan's system take effect. He was just running with the line and taking the first hole available. Once we get the blockers, I think we'll see good success with mediocre backs.

Galloway made too many mistakes last night, and I'd forgive him if he wasn't 38 or whatever.

While I hated seeing the Redskins lose, watching Vick was truly awe-inspiring. I appreciate good football, and Vick was out of this world. It was special to watch, even though it had to be against the Skins.

[over the mountain]

i was pretty high on kareem moore compared to horton. moore can lay the wood for sure, but coverage was an unknown. now he is missing tackles, poor angles and being exposed somewhat in coverage.

on a pos note, doughty and alexander continue to be ST coverage monsters. i could see doughty playing his way back into the starting lineup at safety if he continues to excel on specials and moore continues to digress.

[MTK]

Moore stinks anytime he has to come up in the box and make a tackle, he gets his ankles broken on a regular basis. Doughty is great on teams but that's where he should stay. We can probably add free safety to our needs list next year.

[skinsguy]

What happened to Horton? I mean, he seemed to have a really good rookie season, and then all of a sudden, we don't see him on the field? What gives?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

What happened to Horton? I mean, he seemed to have a really good rookie season, and then all of a sudden, we don't see him on the field? What gives?

Well he's on IR

[over the mountain]

imo horton got overrated by the fan base very early on. he had a deflection int, the next game he had a real nice pick on romo, got named what? defensive rookie of the month i think?

outside of the romo pick, i dont think horton did anything to show he was nothing more than a 7th round pick talent.

between horton, moore and doughty i had hoped one would step forward. seems all three are ok, decent depth/ST players but nothing more. not that it makes them bad players imo, they are what they are (7th round talent) but we hoped one would emerge as a decent enoguh starter. its a shame, i like all 3 players.

[huntz]

OK. Philly has weapons at skill positions they nabbed in the draft. How many picks do the 'Skins have in the 2011 draft..or for that matter...2012?

[#56fanatic]

it is going to take time to build this team in the mold of what Shanny feels is necessary to win. It isn't going to happen next year either. I hope he is still around year 3, 4 and so on. This organization has this mentality that building takes two years, and if it isn't working then blow the whole thing up and start over. Hopefullly Allen can get into Snyders head and make him realize that it takes a few years to see consistant results. All the teams that are at the top have a proven way to win in the NFL. It is amazing to compare rosters of say Indy, NE, Philly, Pitts, Giants to ours. of the 53 man rosters, 95% of theirs is draft picks. We aren't even sniffing that. We need smart people putting together teams, not Danny putting together FA. Allen has built some good teams in the past, so hopefully between him and Shanny they can put something together by year 3. Problem may be by then we will be searching for another QB. I am not confident that Donovan will be here after this year, even with the signing of the extension. They way is sounds, it is heavily loaded after next year which tends to reason he wont be here after 2011.

[SBXVII]

I know you guys are definitly done with me saying it but I'll say it again.... had the team came out and said we are "rebuilding" the fan base would not (or so I believe) have such a high expectation. The majority of the fan base as well as the media would be saying "wow the Skins have come a long way, and if they can get all the right pieces to run the 3-4 and some better OL this team will be a power house for the future."

Instead everyones hopes get high and we win some games we probably should not have and lost some we probably should not have. Now we have fans with the "I'm done" mentality or "fire Haslett" mentality. This was not all on the coaching staff. Yes the coaching staff did a poor job getting ready to play especially after a bye week but the players have to learn to tackle, the players have to be in the right spot.

Across the board the Skins looked bad. I think if the team picks up a couple more OL (get rid of Heyer, whome I've supported, and Hicks) and hopefully a tall WR and pick up a few pieces for the defensive side like someone to replace Carter at LB, and a true FS, and NT the team might, might be better next yr.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I know you guys are definitly done with me saying it but I'll say it again.... had the team came out and said we are "rebuilding" the fan base would not (or so I believe) have such a high expectation. The majority of the fan base as well as the media would be saying "wow the Skins have come a long way, and if they can get all the right pieces to run the 3-4 and some better OL this team will be a power house for the future."

Instead everyones hopes get high and we win some games we probably should not have and lost some we probably should not have. Now we have fans with the "I'm done" mentality or "fire Haslett" mentality. This was not all on the coaching staff. Yes the coaching staff did a poor job getting ready to play especially after a bye week but the players have to learn to tackle, the players have to be in the right spot.

Across the board the Skins looked bad. I think if the team picks up a couple more OL (get rid of Heyer, whome I've supported, and Hicks) and hopefully a tall WR and pick up a few pieces for the defensive side like someone to replace Carter at LB, and a true FS, and NT the team might, might be better next yr.

This fan base would never accept "rebuilding" They may say they would but there's no way they could accept it.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This fan base would never accept "rebuilding" They may say they would but there's no way they could accept it.

I don't think any team goes into a season and public says this a rebuilding year, that would be a PR nightmare.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I don't think any team goes into a season and public says this a rebuilding year, that would be a PR nightmare.

Ted Leonsis has done so with the Wizards and for the most part the fans are responsive, at least to his honesty.

The Redskins are a little different, they have a star struck owner whose major interest is to fill seats and sell merchandise. To try and sell rebuilding might not go over so well. It also speaks to why we're always being sold on change with the majority of the fan base buying into just about every move made. I agree with the fact the fans wouldn't be quite as dissapointed with the losing if they weren't so willing to view everything in the positive, instead have the foresight and patience to wait some of these moves through before forming an opinion.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I don't think any team goes into a season and public says this a rebuilding year, that would be a PR nightmare.

Yeah nobody admits it, even when it's obvious.

Fact is we turned over 1/3 of the roster, and that will continue next year especially when the big name free agents that were F'd over this year become available.

Doesn't matter what you call it though, if you had high expectations coming into this season sorry but that's your fault for being clueless. I think most reasonable fans were thinking 8-8 with this roster.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah nobody admits it, even when it's obvious.

Fact is we turned over 1/3 of the roster, and that will continue next year especially when the big name free agents that were F'd over this year become available.

Doesn't matter what you call it though, if you had high expectations coming into this season sorry but that's your fault for being clueless. I think most reasonable fans were thinking 8-8 with this roster.

I would hope any reasonable person wouldn't expect us to be playing for home field advantage. However, when you go out and pay $100million for this guy, $7 million for the best coach out there, trading for McNabb, Jamaal Brown to help solidify the oline, you do kind of think we would win those "winable" games. And at least be in the mix for a wild-card. Which we still are. Only two games out of the division with two games against the Giants still on the schedule. So, we aren't done by any means. But Redskins fans as a whole buy into the hype quicker than any team in the NFL. I went from 7-9 to 9-7 as an early prediction, and think it is still possible. I think people / fans are tired of seeing the same Redskins team every year no matter who the coach is, who the QB is...it just seems we are destined to be mediocore or worse. Last night was just unacceptable, especially coming of a bye week. We looked so unprepared it was ridiculous.

[#56fanatic]

[QUOTE=SBXVII;759526]I know you guys are definitly done with me saying it but I'll say it again.... had the team came out and said we are "rebuilding" the fan base would not (or so I believe) have such a high expectation. The majority of the fan base as well as the media would be saying "wow the Skins have come a long way, and if they can get all the right pieces to run the 3-4 and some better OL this team will be a power house for the future."

Instead everyones hopes get high and we win some games we probably should not have and lost some we probably should not have. Now we have fans with the "I'm done" mentality or "fire Haslett" mentality. This was not all on the coaching staff. Yes the coaching staff did a poor job getting ready to play especially after a bye week but the players have to learn to tackle, the players have to be in the right spot.


Danny will not allow the Redskins to say the word "Rebuild". That is the problem. They hype that is spued from Redskin park has us believing year in and year out that this is the year we make a difference. I think a ton of us Redskin fans would find it refreshing to hear those words. We just dont have an owner that believes in rebuilding. he believes in retooling. Leonsis has the perfect formula for winning, building and gaining support from the fan base. Snyder should be giving him a call. Even though the Wizards stink, they knew it and said from the get go we are rebuilding, but we are excited about the potential of this team. Market the right way, bring fans into the organization and doesn't make them feel so distant. He has done wonders with the Caps, and will do so with the Wizards. Danny needs to sit back and let this team build, stop trading picks away and start getting rid of players that are productive, but past the good days. Moss, Carter, (hate to say it) Fletcher, cooler or Davis (pick one) Haynesworth, Portis. The list could go on.
I would be willing to go through a couple years of rebuilding if the front office was committed to it and committed to the coach and GM. I just dont think that will ever happen here.