The Pro Days Thread

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Most everything I have found dismisses the comparisons to Vick. He's at a better place in his development than Vick was at this point. I get uncomfortable with the comparison because I think it has more to do with the fact that they're both African-American than anything. It's a lazy parallel to draw.

Well put, but something they do have in common is the deep ball. That was Vick's best pass at VT & sounds like it is for RGIII as well. I don't know enough about RGIII's accuracy in a variety of routes, but Vick needed quite a bit of fine tuning on some intermediate routes when he was drafted.

Plus, RGIII is sooo much smarter & much more comfortable w/the public attention & press. That's a big deal in these times & I think is often why some players, especially QBs, fail. See Ryan Leaf.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

RG3 is far superior as a passer than Vick ever was or ever will be. I agree, it's a lazy comparison. Not fair to RG3 at all.

I called griffin a better Michael Vick with the disclaimer that I hated the comparison. In every respect, griffin is superior. However, you can't hate on the comparison too much because Vick is the closest thing to griffin that has ever been in the league. That's why I honestly prefer griffin to luck. A player with his athleticism, passing accuracy, intelligence, and leadership has never played the position. Never. Vick caused enormous problems for defenses because if his ability to make plays with his feet... And he wasn't as much of a passing theat. Imagine the problems griffin would create. He could be nearly unstoppable.

Luck is great, but he can be stopped with a tradition defense as long as players do their job. Griffin is going to require a lot of exotic defensive schemes. I he meets his potential, the only way defenses will be able to stop him is if he makes a mistake.

[MTK]

I know we've all got RG3 fever, but I think alot of people continue to underestimate Luck's athleticism. He can get out of the pocket and make things happen too. He's not just a pocket guy.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I know we've all got RG3 fever, but I think alot of people continue to underestimate Luck's athleticism. He can get out of the pocket and make things happen too. He's not just a pocket guy.

Didn't he run the same 40 time as Cam Newton? That is some serious athleticism for a guy his size.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Random question that may be in the wrong thread/may have already been asked.

If the Colts decide they want Luck and are able to ink him to a contract before the draft, and the Skins allowed to start negotiating with RGIII right away?

From what I recall, no. Either way the Colts aren't going to rush to sign their pick and neither will the Redskins. Not as much pressure as in previous years

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I called griffin a better Michael Vick with the disclaimer that I hated the comparison. In every respect, griffin is superior. However, you can't hate on the comparison too much because Vick is the closest thing to griffin that has ever been in the league. That's why I honestly prefer griffin to luck. A player with his athleticism, passing accuracy, intelligence, and leadership has never played the position. Never. Vick caused enormous problems for defenses because if his ability to make plays with his feet... And he wasn't as much of a passing theat. Imagine the problems griffin would create. He could be nearly unstoppable.

Luck is great, but he can be stopped with a tradition defense as long as players do their job. Griffin is going to require a lot of exotic defensive schemes. I he meets his potential, the only way defenses will be able to stop him is if he makes a mistake.

before anyone compares RG3 to Vick let him get on the field. The line could wrap around the planet several times who called Vick a bust back then. 10 years later runner up to MVP. laughable. People already puttin RG3 in the HOF. I remember Jamarcus Russell claimed to have the best pro day ever as well. scout were drooling.

Comparing Vick to RG3 is flat out retarded. Vick is an atheletic freak, and no one can compare. Vick happened to play QB and as a passer is pretty average, but still much better than people ever believed he would be. There will never be a another Vick. RG3 is a quarterback and needs to be compared to top passers who have come out the draft in the last 10 years.

[Hog1]

Of ALL the BS, Speculation, JUBILATION, etc that I am want to enjoy with thoughts of RG3 or Luck. What I enjoy the most is the thought that the other respective members of the NFC East are thinking...........Uh-oh...
WAY tired of being a non-factor......

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Bubba305-ST21-

id be alot of sad, i like griffin over luck. i hope the colts dont want to move away from the manning mold

Luck fits the Colts offense. He's even more mobile than Manning which he'll need to be with their line.

Griffin fits ours perfectly.

Both teams will get exactly the QB they need. Swap the QBs and they'll still be successful, but Luck to the Colts and RG3 to us are the best fits.

I'm not worried about the Colts taking our guy. Reports are that they've had their mind made up for a while.


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Recent news on Andrew Luck - College Player - Rotoworld.com
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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Luck fits the Colts offense. He's even more mobile than Manning which he'll need to be with their line.

Griffin fits ours perfectly.

Both teams will get exactly the QB they need. Swap the QBs and they'll still be successful, but Luck to the Colts and RG3 to us are the best fits.

I'm not worried about the Colts taking our guy. Reports are that they've had their mind made up for a while.


Jim Irsay seizes full control of Colts from Peyton Manning, ready to rebuild with Andrew Luck - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Recent news on Andrew Luck - College Player - Rotoworld.com
Next up: Like Manning, next rookie QB will start immediately | Indianapolis Star | indystar.com

This

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Didn't he run the same 40 time as Cam Newton? That is some serious athleticism for a guy his size.

Not officially. But one of his unofficial times did clock in at 4.59.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by alaskaN8

so i see alot of comparison between rg3 and vick. but how would you guys rate him agianst some of the younger quarterbacks in the league? like matt ryan, sam bradford, matt stafford or cam newton?

Comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Even though people should already realize the inherent flaws of making non-specific player to player comparisons they still get all bent out them.
The skillset comparison between Vick and RGIII is legitimate.
First there is the dynamic speed quite frankly there are no other QBs capable of running sub 4.4 40 time they form a category that only contains them.
Then there's the: running ability, overall build, above average arm strength.

Re: rate him (as a prospect) against some of the younger quarterbacks in the league?
Newton(I had Newton ahead of Luck last year so my ranking isn't aided by hindsight of Newton's success this year)
Stafford
RGIII
Luck
Bradford/Ryan

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I know we've all got RG3 fever, but I think alot of people continue to underestimate Luck's athleticism. He can get out of the pocket and make things happen too. He's not just a pocket guy.

Listen to what Mayock says in the background. This is no Drew Bledsoe people.

[Bubba305-ST21-]

what makes it official or unofficial? i dont get what dictates that, bc suppsedly rg3 ran an unofficial 4.38

[NC_Skins]

I've seen some stupid shit being said, but this might take the cake. (ES idiot no doubt)

If I was the Colts, even if I was 100% sold on Luck and had no interest at all in RG3, I would still pick him to see what the Skins or anyone else would be willing to trade for him, if I set my price too high and get no bidders, then worst case scenario you are "stuck" with the franchise QB you didn't want, which really is not all that bad.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

^ Gotta love stupid.