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[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Our "top 5" defense was a illusion. We never got any sacks or turnovers and had this "bend but not break" mindset. Our defense also could never hold a team in the last 2 minutes when it really counted. This was a paper defense, nothing more.

Part of what your saying is true,but our defense is worse now.We didn't have the personel for the 3-4 and we still dont.I'd rather have a top 5 paper defense with the problems you described then a bottom 5 paper defense with the same problems.


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[The Goat]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Part of what your saying is true,but our defense is worse now.We didn't have the personel for the 3-4 and we still dont.I'd rather have a top 5 paper defense with the problems you described then a bottom 5 paper defense with the same problems.


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I tend to see it your way, although some folks on the board have shown statistically the defense now is basically as good as the average in the Williams/Blache years.

Two observations. The defense now seems to go long stretches w/o sacks or even QB pressure, which was probably the biggest complaint under the previous regimes. Although we never really waited to see how the AH/Carter/Orakpo experiment would have turned out. Personally I think Rak would have been best served at left d end where he wasn't asked to do as much in the old system.
Secondly, your observation htown that we still don't have the personal to run the 3-4 at an elite level is really the bottom line. We don't have a difference making NT. And we still need a FS regardless. A (new) d coordinator could come in next year install a 4-3 and we'd be better off than continuing down the Haslett path.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Our "top 5" defense was a illusion. We never got any sacks or turnovers and had this "bend but not break" mindset. Our defense also could never hold a team in the last 2 minutes when it really counted. This was a paper defense, nothing more.

We had 40 sacks in 2009.29 last yr and 34 so far this yr so your sacks argument is an illusion.We had 17 takeaways in 09,27 last yr and 16 so far this yr.So we had more takeaways last yr,WHOOPEE,at least thats something

[SBXVII]

Kansas City HC

Firrrrrrrrrrre-D

NFL.com news: Chiefs fire coach Haley after two-plus seasons, 19-27 record

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

lol, the punchlines to that are endless. The G-men like coming down here, they pillage Jerry world. I think they are 3-0 in the joint, holy crap you should have heard the crowd last night. You could literaly hear the coaches talking on the sideline after the bloced kick.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

We had 40 sacks in 2009.29 last yr and 34 so far this yr so your sacks argument is an illusion.We had 17 takeaways in 09,27 last yr and 16 so far this yr.So we had more takeaways last yr,WHOOPEE,at least thats something

You are using ONE years stats to back up your point???

[Ruhskins]

Dolphins fire Tony Sparano.

[MTK]

Teams looking to get a jump on potential candidates out there.

[GMScud]

Who's next? Spagnuolo maybe?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You are using ONE years stats to back up your point???

Seriously,your making fun of me when I actually backed up my argument with facts while you did not?
Plus that was TWO AND THREE QAURTERS,NOT ONE YEAR.And of course I only went back to 2009,why would I go any further? That was the yr before Shanahan got here and switched the defense

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sometimes to make an omelette you have to break a few eggs, or whatever the expression is.

I can understand that philosophy sometimes,but sometimes the cook sucks

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Seriously,your making fun of me when I actually backed up my argument with facts while you did not?
Plus that was TWO AND THREE QAURTERS,NOT ONE YEAR.And of course I only went back to 2009,why would I go any further? That was the yr before Shanahan got here and switched the defense

The are three more games to be played.

We added talent(RAK and AH), hence the spike in sacks to 40. We add more talent(i.e Jenkins) and play the better players(Riley), we can only further improve.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Who's next? Spagnuolo maybe?

That whole front office/coaching staff could be gone

Figure Tucker probably won't stay in Jacksonville either

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That whole front office/coaching staff could be gone

Figure Tucker probably won't stay in Jacksonville either

Heck, Jacksonville should not even stay in Jacksonville. Of all the NFL franchises, that is the one that i think has the least justification for its existence. If any team needs to move to LA, its the jags.

[SmootSmack]

Happy for Todd Bowles to finally get his shot, no matter how temporary it might be