The State of the Redskins (MERGED)

[PhxRedSkin]

missing #24 and #20 real bad

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by PhxRedSkin

missing #24 and #20 real bad

thats it in a nutshell....24 and 20.

[chris36]

Maybe I was misunderstood. I am saying those guys wanted alot more money than they were making, but the people that we have brought in are way over what we would have had to play our own players. Archuleta, is a perfect example, highest payed saftey ever. Hey, I think he had the best game of anybody against the Giants. At least he made tackles, but what we payed him alot and alot to many of others. We could have just kept what we had, probably saved money and would be a better team at this point.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by chris36

Maybe I was misunderstood. I am saying those guys wanted alot more money than they were making, but the people that we have brought in are way over what we would have had to play our own players. Archuleta, is a perfect example, highest payed saftey ever. Hey, I think he had the best game of anybody against the Giants. At least he made tackles, but what we payed him alot and alot to many of others. We could have just kept what we had, probably saved money and would be a better team at this point.

at least if we kept the cheap guys and they still sucked, we'd have more cap flexibility to fix it :/.

[Gmanc711]

The biggest problem for me 2 years ago was that we didn't get Smoot OR Peirce. I kinda thought it would be one or the othere (personally I was rooting to keep Smoot). I think Lamar Marshall has done a great job replacing Peirce on the inside, but we could be alot better with Peirce in the middle, Marshal on the outside, but overall, I dont think were that much worse off w/o him. We could def. use some CB help, but w/e. We drafted a young CB who hopefully will work out, and I think Marshal has been great inside. Plus, we made a great offer to Peirce from what I heard, but he went to NY for the money. Which is fine, if you wnat to get paid I can handle that, but quit your bitching because I know we offered him somthing close. I'm pretty sure we just let Smoot walk which I didnt really like because I loved Smoot.

The Clark one is the only one that I can really look back on and be like wtf. I dont get why we let him go, he was a perfect role player, loved by the team, and we went out and signed the big name to replace him; and in all seriousness I dont think he's as good as Clark and we pd. him way more. I think that situation just pissed me off because it was the only one I was pissed about when it happened. I didnt like the idea then, and I'm being proved right unforunatley so far.

[SkinsLove24/7]

Ok...here's the icing on the cake. Walt Harris who we all remember and loved for a long time here had 3 INT's for the 49ers today!!! Freakin' walt harris, who was burned so much he coughed up smoke, has 3 picks. Even his sorry coverage skills would prob. help improve this secondary a little.

[vaoutlaws2006]

cant dwell on the past mistakes....smoot and clark but barber trotter and pierce? not sure about those three.

[That Guy]

geez, people are acting like we lost the game... i just don't... oh, oh yeah, that's right.


brunell is inconsistant, but the play calling sucked. we tried the same sweeps and such that we used againt two BACKUP DEs in jacksonville. when you replace them with very active and much faster DEs (and become predictable) it doesn't work as well. the NYG DTs stepped up too. they didn't get great push, but they didn't let portis run past them either.

and yeah, pierce and clark were mistakes. smoot would have been nice to keep, but GW rather have big tacklers than guys who can cover :P the big problem with pierce was letting him go to a team that we play twice a year that needed a MLB so desperately. trotter helps the eagles too, so that kinda sucks, but dumping him was the right call.

smoot wasn't cheaper (than rogers or other #2 CBs) btw. and trotter wasn't either (pierce and marshall were making vet min).

[Schneed10]

I thought Ryan Clark was adequate. I didn't mind the attempt to upgrade him, but I do mind the choice we made. Archuleta blows. It's not Ryan Clark I miss, it's Archuleta who I hate.

Also, I used to think we were better off with Lemar Marshall at MLB making $1 million per year instead of Antonio Pierce making $4 million a year. Now I'm not so sure. Lemar is a solid system LB. He'll make an INT here or there. But Pierce is one of the savviest LBs I've ever seen. Nobody diagnoses plays faster than he does. I miss him VERY badly. Pierce was asking for more than Marcus Washington made, and I can understand how Gibbs would want to draw that line. But I'm not so sure Pierce isn't just as valuable, if not more so, than Marcus Washington.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I thought Ryan Clark was adequate. I didn't mind the attempt to upgrade him, but I do mind the choice we made. Archuleta blows. It's not Ryan Clark I miss, it's Archuleta who I hate.

Also, I used to think we were better off with Lemar Marshall at MLB making $1 million per year instead of Antonio Pierce making $4 million a year. Now I'm not so sure. Lemar is a solid system LB. He'll make an INT here or there. But Pierce is one of the savviest LBs I've ever seen. Nobody diagnoses plays faster than he does. I miss him VERY badly. Pierce was asking for more than Marcus Washington made, and I can understand how Gibbs would want to draw that line. But I'm not so sure Pierce isn't just as valuable, if not more so, than Marcus Washington.

the problem with not paying pierce is that it means holdman has to be on the field. lemar is better than him at OLB.

[JWsleep]

It's not the front office's job to plan a game and to motivate and use players. We came out flat as week old soda. Is that Snyder's fault? Come on. When a team ACROSS THE BOARD plays like that, it's not jst this or that personel move, IMO. It's about coaching and team chemistry and leadership. When this team plays with fire, we are a good team (see LAST week!); when we come out as we did in NY, we are a bad team. Which suggests to me that the problem is NOT player moves, it's how the players we have here now play. And that, IMO, is on the coahing staff, the highest paid staff in league history. Snyder and Vinny aren't coaching, and in all honesty, they are not deciding any longer who to get in the draft and FA. Do you REALLY think Snyder is telling GIBBS who to get? Come on.

If it were anyone but JG, we'd be talking about coaching. Snyder is an easy target, everyone loves to hate him. But that's Gibbs team out there, folks.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

It's not the front office's job to plan a game and to motivate and use players. We came out flat as week old soda. Is that Snyder's fault? Come on. When a team ACROSS THE BOARD plays like that, it's not jst this or that personel move, IMO. It's about coaching and team chemistry and leadership. When this team plays with fire, we are a good team (see LAST week!); when we come out as we did in NY, we are a bad team. Which suggests to me that the problem is NOT player moves, it's how the players we have here now play. And that, IMO, is on the coahing staff, the highest paid staff in league history. Snyder and Vinny aren't coaching, and in all honesty, they are not deciding any longer who to get in the draft and FA. Do you REALLY think Snyder is telling GIBBS who to get? Come on.

If it were anyone but JG, we'd be talking about coaching. Snyder is an easy target, everyone loves to hate him. But that's Gibbs team out there, folks.

I agree with you, this past game was a coaching issue, not a player acquisition issue. But that's not the point of this thread. We have let some players go, and brought in some others for higher pay, and the decisions haven't made sense.

That's not the reason we lost against the Giants though. The biggest reason we lost was we just played like a bunch of girls. No fire. No emotion. The offensive line had no pride, no will to beat the crap out of the Giants like they did against the Jags.

We may have made some mistakes with player personnel, but we still have done a good job of putting a lot of talent together. Enough talent to win if we play hard. But that shouldn't stop us from criticizing questionable personnel decisions.

[JWsleep]

I saw the coaching rant thread AFTER I posted this here! My bad .

PS I'm fine with acquisitions--it's hard to single these guys out when everyone is playing badly. But AA and Carter especially have to do MUCH more if we are going to have a decent season.

[724Skinsfan]

Why would we pay Smoot #1 money for his #2 ability. So far this year he has no INT's and 1 Pass Defensed. Ryan Clark didn't even start for us his first five games when we got him from the Giants and he only ended up with 65 tackles and 1 Pass Defensed his first year with us. He would be an upgrade right now but only because he had two years with us to finally become, at best, decent. Archuleta definitely sucks BIG TIME in coverage but he is by far a better tackler than Ryan Clark could ever hope to be. Archuleta will get better as will the CB play, especially from Wright. Rogers is still learning but he has been thrust into the #1 role a little too early for his own development. He may get there but I see him as a #2 for us if we keep him once his contract expires.

I miss Pierce and I was certain at the time he would be a Redskin for life but having only one great year with us doesn't mean you're getting the best payout. Plus, I'm sure (again, at the time) the thought process was that it was GW's system that made him so good. There's some saying about hindsight...

[rstone1979]

redskin for life?? That is a phrase this organization lost when Darrell Green retired