Updated: Jaguars Claim Jason Babin

[los panda]

5.5 sacks this season, would be 2nd on our team.
2 forced fumbles this season, would also be 2nd on our team.

perry riley is 2nd on our team this season w 2 sacks.
bunch of guys tied for 2nd on our team w 1 forced fumble.

[los panda]

nobody is saying he's not a one trick pony.

all i'm saying is 5.5 sacks > 2 sacks, and 2 forced fumbles is > 1 forced fumble.

it's a moot point, but fun to talk about

[FRPLG]

Yes but who says they can't cut him following the season? They didn't pay him any guaranteed money so a future cap-hit doesn't exist unless you keep through roster/work out bonuses.

[MTK]

Nobody will want him off waivers with his current contract. He'll pass through waivers and become a FA.

[Evilgrin]

I think you can still cut him, there is no more guaranteed money on his contract. So he'd be playing the rest of this year for his contract next year. Who cares beyond this season....

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

I think you can still cut him, there is no more guaranteed money on his contract. So he'd be playing the rest of this year for his contract next year. Who cares beyond this season....

Babin contract could be a bargain-basement waivers claim | ProFootballTalk

ok you're right

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Babin contract could be a bargain-basement waivers claim | ProFootballTalk

ok you're right

looks like griff is giving him the ol' thumb in the eye on that page

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Babin contract could be a bargain-basement waivers claim | ProFootballTalk

ok you're right

Hm, is he that much of a detriment to the team? We really need pass rushers. That being said, Philly thinks their backups were better so he probably isn't worth it.

[SBXVII]

I was in the do not pick him up catagory. Hearing the Junkies today talking about how he's 32y/o, and how his contract is not friendly, and how he would probably want to sign deal for more then just the rest of the games this season.....

It all made sense but this writer also makes sense.

Jason Babin: Why the Washington Redskins Should Take a Chance on Ex-Eagle | Bleacher Report

Babin was picked up by the Texans to play in the 3-4 and failed, then got picked up by the Eagles, played well and got double digit sacks each year, then got cut and picked up by the Chiefs (I think) and cut again, then the Eagles bring him back and he got hurt last yr and only has single digit sacks this yr. A fan pointed out on the Junkies that Babin is a one trick pony and is not trainable and basically was told to just ... go after the QB. Plus the Eagles ran a 4-3 defense.

BUT.... Haslett has been implimenting more 4-3 to our scheme and it seemed to work better against the Eagles and Cowboys. I think if Babin clears waivers and we can get him on the cheap, then I could see picking him up for 3rd downs when utilizing the 4-3 scheme to rush the QB while keeping the LB's back to stop the run and passes to TE's. This way teams would have to adjust their protection towards him and that would give Kerrigan a better chance at the QB.

Jason Babin: Why the Washington Redskins Should Take a Chance on Ex-EagleBy James Dudko(Featured Columnist) on November 27, 2012 7,327 reads
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The Washington Redskins should take a chance on ex-Philadelphia Eagle Jason Babin. The recently released defensive end would answer a big need, namely the need for more pass rush.

Before anyone declares "he's a 4-3 player," let's be clear: Babin's use would be as a nickel pass-rusher. In other words, he would only appear in packages where the Redskins use a four-man line.

The Redskins have only 20 sacks this season. That puts them a lowly 26th in the league in that particular category.



Ryan Kerrigan has struggled to lead a weak Redskins pass rush.
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Outside linebacker Ryan Kerrigan leads the defense with 6.5 sacks. However, Kerrigan is more of an all-rounder, rather than a pressure specialist who is going to scare an offense.

According to teamrankings.com, the Redskins are 29th in sack percentage. They are also 23rd in opponents passing yards per attempt.

That last stat is the key. It reveals opposing quarterbacks are being given too long in the pocket. That's directly contributed to the number of big plays surrendered by the Redskins through the air.

This won't be news to Redskins fans. Stats aside, it's plain to see that this defense has trouble getting to the passer.


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The problem is most obvious on the edges, ever since the season-ending injury to Brian Orakpo.

The likes of Kerrigan and Rob Jackson are often failing to win on the outside. Adding Babin would certainly solve this problem.

He is a constant threat off the edge thanks to a relentless style of play and a naturally quick takeoff.

At 32, he would bring useful experience to a young team preparing for a playoff push. His age would also justify a reduced workload from his days in Philadelphia.

Many teams have made great use of nickel pass-rushers over the years. In the early eighties the San Francisco 49ers used the great Fred Dean in this way.

A decade later the Dallas Cowboys did the same thing with Jim Jeffcoat. The concept is not unfamiliar to the Redskins either.



Jim Jeffcoat was a dangerous third-down weapon in the 90's.
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In 1991, the year of the team's last Super Bowl triumph, Jumpy Geathers played the role. When the Redskins captured their last NFC East title in 1999, it was N.D. Kalu.

Third-down pass-rush specialists are invaluable weapons for a defense. A proven edge-rusher like Babin would increase the flexibility of coordinator Jim Haslett's nickel packages.

With Babin on the front, Haslett could move Kerrigan around the formation. Teams would also be sure to slide their protection to Babin. Haslett could use that attention to create better blitz lanes from the slot and through the middle.

Babin would also give the Redskins defense one player that opposing teams would fear.

NFL.com's Dan Hanzus reports that Babin's salary won't be prohibitive next season. That should appeal to the Redskins given their cap situation.

It's also not often that player with 53.5 career sacks becomes available during the season. This is an opportunity Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen ought to seriously consider.

Robert Griffin III and the offense are sure to put up points on anyone. So the Redskins only need a few more big plays from their defense.

Babin is the pass-rush threat this defense needs to produce those extra key stops and big plays.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I was in the do not pick him up catagory. Hearing the Junkies today talking about how he's 32y/o, and how his contract is not friendly, and how he would probably want to sign deal for more then just the rest of the games this season.....

It all made sense but this writer also makes sense.

Jason Babin: Why the Washington Redskins Should Take a Chance on Ex-Eagle | Bleacher Report

Babin was picked up by the Texans to play in the 3-4 and failed, then got picked up by the Eagles, played well and got double digit sacks each year, then got cut and picked up by the Chiefs (I think) and cut again, then the Eagles bring him back and he got hurt last yr and only has single digit sacks this yr. A fan pointed out on the Junkies that Babin is a one trick pony and is not trainable and basically was told to just ... go after the QB. Plus the Eagles ran a 4-3 defense.

BUT.... Haslett has been implimenting more 4-3 to our scheme and it seemed to work better against the Eagles and Cowboys. I think if Babin clears waivers and we can get him on the cheap, then I could see picking him up for 3rd downs when utilizing the 4-3 scheme to rush the QB while keeping the LB's back to stop the run and passes to TE's. This way teams would have to adjust their protection towards him and that would give Kerrigan a better chance at the QB.

But we are a 3:4 team - dont you know that - this is crazy talk? 4-3 mixed into a game and needing a pass rushing end to get to the QB? - Crazy talk I tell you! / Sarcasm meter turned way up.

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[DynamiteRave]

Eh. The Jags need the help.

I'd be so much happier drafting talent or picking up some young FA than an up and down dude with character issues.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

I'm surprised Jacksonville even bothered to claim him. They're 2-9 and it's not like he's a big enough name to put butts in the seats. But it looks like they're last in sacks, so I guess they think he can do something for them?

[CultBrennan59]

Poor babin, now he's a jag. We can stop debating if he's gonna be good here or not.

[Ruhskins]

I am shocked that a team with a 4-3 D picked him up. :confused-