'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly

[TheMalcolmConnection]

The way Carolina played yesterday we could only hope that Delhomme is STILL starting. I'm actually more nervous about TB because Cadillac was going NUTS on Dallas's defense.

[HBnotBlades]

I actually don't think Campbell played that terribly, he completed over 70% of his passes and averaged over 10 yards per completion. He seemed to be looking down the field very well and hitting receivers in stride, and that's what we didn't see last year. Did he make two stupid plays? Of course he did, but not stepping up in the pocket probably results in a TD for the defense less than 1% of the time. It was just bad luck and this would have been a completely different game if that was a sack instead.

The over-the-line interception was inexcusable, Campbell should, and does know better. He showed last year that he can be trusted to take care of the ball, so I don't think that play will be indicative of his play for the rest of the year.

The playcalling was disappointing though. In parts of the 2nd and 3rd quarter it looked like they couldn't stop us when we went 3 wide. The Giants didn't have enough corner depth to stop us when they need their nickle on the field, but all of the sudden we went into run-run-pass playcalling and let them off the hook.


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[53Fan]

Originally Posted by HBnotBlades

I actually don't think Campbell played that terribly, he completed over 70% of his passes and averaged over 10 yards per completion. He seemed to be looking down the field very well and hitting receivers in stride, and that's what we didn't see last year. Did he make two stupid plays? Of course he did, but not stepping up in the pocket probably results in a TD for the defense less than 1% of the time. It was just bad luck and this would have been a completely different game if that was a sack instead.

The over-the-line interception was inexcusable, Campbell should, and does know better. He showed last year that he can be trusted to take care of the ball, so I don't think that play will be indicative of his play for the rest of the year.

The playcalling was disappointing though. In parts of the 2nd and 3rd quarter it looked like they couldn't stop us when we went 3 wide. The Giants didn't have enough corner depth to stop us when they need their nickle on the field, but all of the sudden we went into run-run-pass playcalling and let them off the hook.


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Cheers

Welcome to the Warpath HBnotBlades! Nice post. We have a lot of openings for levelheaded posters! Glad you're here!

[HBnotBlades]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Welcome to the Warpath HBnotBlades! Nice post. We have a lot of openings for levelheaded posters! Glad you're here!

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Welcome to a much more educated and civil board.

Thanks guys. Good to be here.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by HBnotBlades

I actually don't think Campbell played that terribly, he completed over 70% of his passes and averaged over 10 yards per completion. He seemed to be looking down the field very well and hitting receivers in stride, and that's what we didn't see last year. Did he make two stupid plays? Of course he did, but not stepping up in the pocket probably results in a TD for the defense less than 1% of the time. It was just bad luck and this would have been a completely different game if that was a sack instead.

The over-the-line interception was inexcusable, Campbell should, and does know better. He showed last year that he can be trusted to take care of the ball, so I don't think that play will be indicative of his play for the rest of the year.

The playcalling was disappointing though. In parts of the 2nd and 3rd quarter it looked like they couldn't stop us when we went 3 wide. The Giants didn't have enough corner depth to stop us when they need their nickle on the field, but all of the sudden we went into run-run-pass playcalling and let them off the hook.


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Cheers

Welcome to a much more educated and civil board.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by HBnotBlades

I actually don't think Campbell played that terribly, he completed over 70% of his passes and averaged over 10 yards per completion. He seemed to be looking down the field very well and hitting receivers in stride, and that's what we didn't see last year. Did he make two stupid plays? Of course he did, but not stepping up in the pocket probably results in a TD for the defense less than 1% of the time. It was just bad luck and this would have been a completely different game if that was a sack instead.

The over-the-line interception was inexcusable, Campbell should, and does know better. He showed last year that he can be trusted to take care of the ball, so I don't think that play will be indicative of his play for the rest of the year.

The playcalling was disappointing though. In parts of the 2nd and 3rd quarter it looked like they couldn't stop us when we went 3 wide. The Giants didn't have enough corner depth to stop us when they need their nickle on the field, but all of the sudden we went into run-run-pass playcalling and let them off the hook.


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Welcome, It's the first game i'm upset but i still see clearly the playoffs. JC looked good when they went to 3 WR's ARE looks good as the 3rd WR they could not stop him he found the soft spot every time.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by HBnotBlades

I actually don't think Campbell played that terribly, he completed over 70% of his passes and averaged over 10 yards per completion. He seemed to be looking down the field very well and hitting receivers in stride, and that's what we didn't see last year. Did he make two stupid plays? Of course he did, but not stepping up in the pocket probably results in a TD for the defense less than 1% of the time. It was just bad luck and this would have been a completely different game if that was a sack instead.

The over-the-line interception was inexcusable, Campbell should, and does know better. He showed last year that he can be trusted to take care of the ball, so I don't think that play will be indicative of his play for the rest of the year.

The playcalling was disappointing though. In parts of the 2nd and 3rd quarter it looked like they couldn't stop us when we went 3 wide. The Giants didn't have enough corner depth to stop us when they need their nickle on the field, but all of the sudden we went into run-run-pass playcalling and let them off the hook.


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Nice post and you're dead on. That comes down to coaching. Zorn didn't make the adjustment adn doesn't seem to know how to make adjustments during games.

[Chico23231]

The absolute bottom line is the offense needs to produce. Point-blank, thats it, no excuses. Everybody, JC, Zorn, recievers, line. That performance yesterday was garbage. Plain and simple. Everyone who plays O deserves to shoulder the blame. The excuses of JC under another new offense, Zorn is a first year head coach he will improve, the oline will be better, all that is gone. The offense should be better than last year. In order to win in this division is you got to score. Anybody see the points Cowboys and Eagles scored yesterday? The mistakes have to end or Zorn and Campbell are gone-bottom line and thats not my opinion, that is reality. Snyder isnt going to wait on Zorn. Now everyone wants to point fingers at the Defense. I have a sh*t-ton more faith in Blache and the Defensive than Zorn and the Offensive. That secondary is basically the same from last year when the Defense was 4th in the league and our D-line players have greatly improved. Now the D didnt play great yesterday BUT they provided opportunities for the crap offense and they did NOTHING. I dont need to provide stats to back up what I saw yesterday on offense, anybody who watched saw we were shut down. Toss that game ending touchdown out the window, that is not a factor. We are only as good as a last game. Not too good.

[Longtimefan]

Wait and see.....Stay medium.

This is going to be a scary place to show up next week if we don't win Sunday against the Rams. I shouldn't be suprised though because history dictates that's the way it's going to be.

[GTripp0012]

The biggest improvement during the season is made from Week One to Week Two, so if this team is a playoff contender, we will light up the Rams.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The biggest improvement during the season is made from Week One to Week Two, so if this team is a playoff contender, we will light up the Rams.

And if we don't? Look this team has a habit of playing down to their level of competition. I don't expect the Rams to beat us, but I ain't expecting a blowout either.

It's abundantly clear to me that Jim Zorn is married to his system and not interested in tailoring it to the strengths of this Redskins team. Giants players were leaving the game left and right yesterday, yet we couldn't seem to exploit any of those match-ups. Sure it's only one game, but yesterday's game was nothing more than a carry over of what we witnessed the second half of last season.

Until we light up the Rams, my arms are folded and my foot is tapping.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

And if we don't? Look this team has a habit of playing down to their level of competition. I don't expect the Rams to beat us, but I ain't expecting a blowout either.

It's abundantly clear to me that Jim Zorn is married to his system and not interested in tailoring it to the strengths of this Redskins team. Giants players were leaving the game left and right yesterday, yet we couldn't seem to exploit any of those match-ups. Sure it's only one game, but yesterday's game was nothing more than a carry over of what we witnessed the second half of last season.

Until we light up the Rams, my arms are folded and my foot is tapping.

Well said;, you and I are pretty much on the same page.

It's bothersome to me that we now have full season under Zorn's system, a full offseason, minicamps, OTAs, and training camp, without much player turnover, and things still aren't clicking. Don't tell me how 'awesome' the Giants are -- we had the pass protection, and Campbell made all the completions you could think of underneath. But the outside receivers still can't get open, and they couldn't get open against NYG backup corners.

To me that's bad scheming, a lack of cohesion, bad communication, misalignments -- all things that shouldn't be happening if this offense is taking us to the next step.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Absolutely, fantastic post. The Giants are a good team and their defense sets the tone. I felt the Redskins were outcoached. I felt this way much of last year and was hoping that it was because Zorn was a rookie head coach and the players didn't know the system. Well there is no excuse this year. I still see the same predictable play calling. I have to go back to the game log, but how many times can you run left on first down. Zorn show some imagination on offense. Tackling on defense was bad as well. But when the defense did stop the Giants on the goal line, Zorn goes into a shell and runs the ball, predictably, three times up the middle. WTF. Seattle and Matt Hasselbeck was in that same situtuation and threw on first down from their one yard line. That's what good teams do. They get that first down. You don't one, two, three, punt and give the ball back in scoring position with your defense tired. It's playcalling like this that gets coaches fired.

[JWsleep]

In the spirit of this thread, I'll give an optimist's spiel:

I actually think we're pretty close as a team. The main issues now are confidence and execution--from top to bottom, including play-calling. The Rams couldn't come at a better time. The offense is a rhythm, timing type-deal. That either looks great or awful--there's not a lot in between. So it looks awful on one series, great on another right now. But it will come. Over the next few weeks, we'll win some games. Of course, everyone will go nuts and think we're superbowl bound. The hope is that we'll get our record and confidence up so we can win some of the tough ones down the road.

As for the D, I think it will become more dominant as we move down the road. The gints are an efficient team and can be very frustrating. But recall that the gints won the SB 2 years ago, and were 13 game winners last year. They don't have the flash of many teams, but they know how to win. The D will get better. Again, the Rams helps!

As for all the nutty "fire everyone" threads and posts, here's my view: if you want to rant like that, let's have a rant thread. Or just go to extremeskins: there's like 20 such threads active right now. But on the Warpath, let's try not to mess up a good board with crap. That doesn't mean no angry critical posts. On the contrary, fire away! They just have to have some brains behind them. Otherwise, this is just a place to rant and vent--fun for the poster, maybe, but boring as hell to read.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

In the spirit of this thread, I'll give an optimist's spiel:

I actually think we're pretty close as a team. The main issues now are confidence and execution--from top to bottom, including play-calling. The Rams couldn't come at a better time. The offense is a rhythm, timing type-deal. That either looks great or awful--there's not a lot in between. So it looks awful on one series, great on another right now. But it will come. Over the next few weeks, we'll win some games. Of course, everyone will go nuts and think we're superbowl bound. The hope is that we'll get our record and confidence up so we can win some of the tough ones down the road.

As for the D, I think it will become more dominant as we move down the road. The gints are an efficient team and can be very frustrating. But recall that the gints won the SB 2 years ago, and were 13 game winners last year. They don't have the flash of many teams, but they know how to win. The D will get better. Again, the Rams helps!

As for all the nutty "fire everyone" threads and posts, here's my view: if you want to rant like that, let's have a rant thread. Or just go to extremeskins: there's like 20 such threads active right now. But on the Warpath, let's try not to mess up a good board with crap. That doesn't mean no angry critical posts. On the contrary, fire away! They just have to have some brains behind them. Otherwise, this is just a place to rant and vent--fun for the poster, maybe, but boring as hell to read.

I'm tempted to put that together... a big The Rant Thread. So everyone can go in there bitch about anything to their hearts content and leave intelligent discussion to the real threads. Hell. I'll go do that now. I'll throw it in off-topic.