Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D

PHazard · 02-02-2010, 02:43 PM

I was just watching a video comparing Sam Bradford vs. Jimmy Clausen. i cant type in the link cuz im a new member but go 2 youtube and search Sam Bradford vs. Jimmy Clausen. Now i like Clausen's deep ball and the fact he worked in a pro style offense. I also like that his attitude is sumwhat along the lines of Phillip Rivers, but i think his cockiness is gonna get him in trouble. I dont think he'll put in as much work as Bradford would n i hate to say that cuz Bradford is another "quiet leader" But he is very intelligent and i think he would study hard to become a great nfl pro.

dmek25 · 02-02-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

They have spencer and of course ware, don't worry I highly highly doubt it would happen

why? with no cap, anything is possible

dmek25 · 02-02-2010, 02:47 PM

welcome to the board phazard

Meks · 02-02-2010, 02:52 PM

you know if we spent the type of money people think we will in the event of an un-capped year....

that'll be "the only reason you guys made the play-offs"

smh.

i still am 100% against drafting QB regardless of who it is at # 4 ....

we need to draft a stud O-Lineman pont blank.

Dirtbag59 · 02-02-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PHazard

I was just watching a video comparing Sam Bradford vs. Jimmy Clausen. i cant type in the link cuz im a new member but go 2 youtube and search Sam Bradford vs. Jimmy Clausen. Now i like Clausen's deep ball and the fact he worked in a pro style offense. I also like that his attitude is sumwhat along the lines of Phillip Rivers, but i think his cockiness is gonna get him in trouble. I dont think he'll put in as much work as Bradford would n i hate to say that cuz Bradford is another "quiet leader" But he is very intelligent and i think he would study hard to become a great nfl pro.

They're actually both hard workers, but I think Clausens attitude in general (as you mentioned Rivers esque) kind of gets a bad rap and leads people to jump to conclusions. Personally I haven't heard anything to suggest that one works harder, or less for that matter then the other, and they both work hard so thats a plus.

Clausen has the better deep ball, but Bradfords quick release and accuracy is really something special. Personally I would prefer Bradford but Clausen isn't a bad constilation prize.

HugeMonkFan · 02-02-2010, 05:01 PM

i also like clausen more than bradford. the only problem with that video is that half the throws are either 1 step drop quick pass to the wideout or screens, and that hawaii have never been known for defense. their offense generally carries them year in year out. you can tell on all the long balls in that vid that the corners and safties are junk. i really like clausen's footwork, technique and arm. he seems to have that clock to let him know when to step up. we shall see.

Dirtbag59 · 02-02-2010, 05:55 PM

I actually spent some time on a Bronoco's forum to find out who could be be coming here.

You can view the thread here:
Current Bronco's that Could Become Redskins - Broncos Country Message Boards

In the meantime heres some notes:

-The Bronoco's are switching to a power running game. So everyone that specialized in zone blocking is now expendable (McDaniels: Running game will change - The Denver Post)

- The Redskins could look at picking up Javaris Moss as a potential OLB. Apparently he did pretty good during preseason after the retirement fiasco but the team didn't play him during the year. I never realized the guy was as big as he was (6'7) so it will be interesting to see if they give him a shot here in training camp should he become available.

- G Ben Hamilton is as good as gone. Seems like theres a very good chance he could be coming here. Apparently his play has slipped off a lot over the past two years, but he should be a good stop gap here, especially considering the shape of our line. Hamilton can play Guard and Center.

- One of the better guys in Shanahan's draft department were a father and son combo known as the Goodmans. Apparently they were responsible for finding a lot of the hits in Denvers draft during Shanahan's years there. It woudn't be to far fetched to see them coming here to work in the front office. However Smootsmack I'd be interested in hearing what you know about these guys.

- There seems to be a split among the fans over weather Peyton Hillis and Chris Kuper (OG) will stay or be released. If Kuper was made available, even for a fourth round pick then it would be a good deal for us. Even better though if he's granted a clean release.

- A hand full of fans over there want Shanahan to come back. One even offered a first round pick

- If ARE is cut then it's very possible that Brandon Stokely could end up here as a 5th reciever. Stokely obviously has ties to Shanahan and grew up in the Virginia area, not to mention the fact that he played for the Ravens.

- Shanahan apparently doesn't like people that disagree with him and ran a few people out of town for doing so. One such example was John Lynch.

I think Smootsmack will be happy to know that he's not alone in the John Skelton fan club. Apparently theres someone over there on their forum who really wants the Bronoco's to draft him.

53Fan · 02-02-2010, 05:57 PM

The main reason I posted that vid was to show Clausen's pocket presence, which I thought was good, arm strength, very good, and accuracy, there has been some question about that. He does throw a good deep ball and I was impressed with his aggressive nature of throwing the long pass and letting his receivers make a play on the ball.

SmootSmack · 02-02-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PHazard

I was just watching a video comparing Sam Bradford vs. Jimmy Clausen. i cant type in the link cuz im a new member but go 2 youtube and search Sam Bradford vs. Jimmy Clausen. Now i like Clausen's deep ball and the fact he worked in a pro style offense. I also like that his attitude is sumwhat along the lines of Phillip Rivers, but i think his cockiness is gonna get him in trouble. I dont think he'll put in as much work as Bradford would n i hate to say that cuz Bradford is another "quiet leader" But he is very intelligent and i think he would study hard to become a great nfl pro.

Here's the link to the video you put together. Nice work

The Goat · 02-02-2010, 11:10 PM

Per the highlights:

Bradford has solid pocket presence. He moves away from pressure naturally. He's relatively accurate. The problem I see is a very, very weak arm for the NFL. While his release is fairly quick watch each pass closely. Very little velocity and often a sloppy spiral. Shanny had Elway for all that time, slinging the pigskin like nobody else could, and everybody knows that kind of ability allows a guy to do things weak-armed QBs just can't do. I would be shocked, truly shocked if Shanny drafts Bradford.

Clausen has a pretty strong arm to be sure. I don't see anything phenomenal though. Is he really much of an upgrade over JC? I really doubt it. And at 4th overall trading mediocrity for mediocrity is just bad management.

What position can we (likely) upgrade the most at 4? LT is obvious IMO. We've got a serviceable vet on the decline in Jones and absolutely nothing to back him up.

PHazard · 02-02-2010, 11:54 PM

lol Thanx for posting the vid Smootsmack. Yea, i noticed that with Bradford too. Everything seems like a lob ball wit absolutely NO zip. But Adam Schefter said that Bradford has put on a good 15 lbs to fill out his frame more and Mel Kiper says he has an underrated arm. Clausen looks like he's workin behind the 2009 Redskins Offensive line so that is actually a nod to him. Made more plays than JC did this year. On the other hand, Jimmy Clausen could DEF be the next Ryan Leaf :-( Tell me yu can't picture him flippin out on a reporter lol. Also Clausen's delivery looks verrrrryyyyy similarrrrrrrr to like Colt Brennans. Now draft insiders ATE Colt alive for that. how come no1 is mentioning it for Clausen? I would like to know Shanahan's opinion of Brennan as well. He likes a QB with a quick release and is mobile in the pocket, not sayin he should start or anythin of CULT status but if we keep Campbell, sign a vet (jeff garcia?) and draft a QB @ #4 or later round, there will clearly be no room for him :-(

53Fan · 02-03-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Per the highlights:

Bradford has solid pocket presence. He moves away from pressure naturally. He's relatively accurate. The problem I see is a very, very weak arm for the NFL. While his release is fairly quick watch each pass closely. Very little velocity and often a sloppy spiral. Shanny had Elway for all that time, slinging the pigskin like nobody else could, and everybody knows that kind of ability allows a guy to do things weak-armed QBs just can't do. I would be shocked, truly shocked if Shanny drafts Bradford.

Clausen has a pretty strong arm to be sure. I don't see anything phenomenal though. Is he really much of an upgrade over JC? I really doubt it. And at 4th overall trading mediocrity for mediocrity is just bad management.

What position can we (likely) upgrade the most at 4? LT is obvious IMO. We've got a serviceable vet on the decline in Jones and absolutely nothing to back him up.

You put it better than I could Goat. I agree 100%.

CultBrennan59 · 02-10-2010, 11:14 PM

I think that this guy would be great for not just Hasletts defense but Danny Smiths special teams.

You Tube

BigHairedAristocrat · 02-11-2010, 11:46 AM

Neither Clausen or Bradford is worth taking at 4... or even 10 as far as i'm concerned. Hopefully we wont draft a QB just for the sake of drafting a QB. Neither Clausen or Bradford look dramatically better than the QB we already have. I recognize that we need to find a franchise QB, but reaching and drafting one way too high is not the way to do it.

NYCskinfan82 · 02-11-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bighairedaristocrat

neither clausen or bradford is worth taking at 4... Or even 10 as far as i'm concerned. Hopefully we wont draft a qb just for the sake of drafting a qb. Neither clausen or bradford look dramatically better than the qb we already have. I recognize that we need to find a franchise qb, but reaching and drafting one way too high is not the way to do it.

amen!

02-02-2010, 02:43 PM	#61
PHazard Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Originally Portsmouth, VA but now Ocala, FL Posts: 207	Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D I was just watching a video comparing Sam Bradford vs. Jimmy Clausen. i cant type in the link cuz im a new member but go 2 youtube and search Sam Bradford vs. Jimmy Clausen. Now i like Clausen's deep ball and the fact he worked in a pro style offense. I also like that his attitude is sumwhat along the lines of Phillip Rivers, but i think his cockiness is gonna get him in trouble. I dont think he'll put in as much work as Bradford would n i hate to say that cuz Bradford is another "quiet leader" But he is very intelligent and i think he would study hard to become a great nfl pro.

02-02-2010, 02:47 PM	#63
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D welcome to the board phazard __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

02-02-2010, 02:52 PM	#64
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 40 Posts: 5,831	Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D you know if we spent the type of money people think we will in the event of an un-capped year.... that'll be "the only reason you guys made the play-offs" smh. i still am 100% against drafting QB regardless of who it is at # 4 .... we need to draft a stud O-Lineman pont blank. __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

02-02-2010, 05:01 PM	#66
HugeMonkFan Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Butler, PA Age: 43 Posts: 85	Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D i also like clausen more than bradford. the only problem with that video is that half the throws are either 1 step drop quick pass to the wideout or screens, and that hawaii have never been known for defense. their offense generally carries them year in year out. you can tell on all the long balls in that vid that the corners and safties are junk. i really like clausen's footwork, technique and arm. he seems to have that clock to let him know when to step up. we shall see.

02-02-2010, 05:55 PM	#67
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D I actually spent some time on a Bronoco's forum to find out who could be be coming here. You can view the thread here: Current Bronco's that Could Become Redskins - Broncos Country Message Boards In the meantime heres some notes: -The Bronoco's are switching to a power running game. So everyone that specialized in zone blocking is now expendable (McDaniels: Running game will change - The Denver Post) - The Redskins could look at picking up Javaris Moss as a potential OLB. Apparently he did pretty good during preseason after the retirement fiasco but the team didn't play him during the year. I never realized the guy was as big as he was (6'7) so it will be interesting to see if they give him a shot here in training camp should he become available. - G Ben Hamilton is as good as gone. Seems like theres a very good chance he could be coming here. Apparently his play has slipped off a lot over the past two years, but he should be a good stop gap here, especially considering the shape of our line. Hamilton can play Guard and Center. - One of the better guys in Shanahan's draft department were a father and son combo known as the Goodmans. Apparently they were responsible for finding a lot of the hits in Denvers draft during Shanahan's years there. It woudn't be to far fetched to see them coming here to work in the front office. However Smootsmack I'd be interested in hearing what you know about these guys. - There seems to be a split among the fans over weather Peyton Hillis and Chris Kuper (OG) will stay or be released. If Kuper was made available, even for a fourth round pick then it would be a good deal for us. Even better though if he's granted a clean release. - A hand full of fans over there want Shanahan to come back. One even offered a first round pick - If ARE is cut then it's very possible that Brandon Stokely could end up here as a 5th reciever. Stokely obviously has ties to Shanahan and grew up in the Virginia area, not to mention the fact that he played for the Ravens. - Shanahan apparently doesn't like people that disagree with him and ran a few people out of town for doing so. One such example was John Lynch. I think Smootsmack will be happy to know that he's not alone in the John Skelton fan club. Apparently theres someone over there on their forum who really wants the Bronoco's to draft him. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

02-02-2010, 05:57 PM	#68
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D The main reason I posted that vid was to show Clausen's pocket presence, which I thought was good, arm strength, very good, and accuracy, there has been some question about that. He does throw a good deep ball and I was impressed with his aggressive nature of throwing the long pass and letting his receivers make a play on the ball. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

02-02-2010, 11:10 PM	#70
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D Per the highlights: Bradford has solid pocket presence. He moves away from pressure naturally. He's relatively accurate. The problem I see is a very, very weak arm for the NFL. While his release is fairly quick watch each pass closely. Very little velocity and often a sloppy spiral. Shanny had Elway for all that time, slinging the pigskin like nobody else could, and everybody knows that kind of ability allows a guy to do things weak-armed QBs just can't do. I would be shocked, truly shocked if Shanny drafts Bradford. Clausen has a pretty strong arm to be sure. I don't see anything phenomenal though. Is he really much of an upgrade over JC? I really doubt it. And at 4th overall trading mediocrity for mediocrity is just bad management. What position can we (likely) upgrade the most at 4? LT is obvious IMO. We've got a serviceable vet on the decline in Jones and absolutely nothing to back him up. __________________ 24-34

02-02-2010, 11:54 PM	#71
PHazard Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Originally Portsmouth, VA but now Ocala, FL Posts: 207	Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D lol Thanx for posting the vid Smootsmack. Yea, i noticed that with Bradford too. Everything seems like a lob ball wit absolutely NO zip. But Adam Schefter said that Bradford has put on a good 15 lbs to fill out his frame more and Mel Kiper says he has an underrated arm. Clausen looks like he's workin behind the 2009 Redskins Offensive line so that is actually a nod to him. Made more plays than JC did this year. On the other hand, Jimmy Clausen could DEF be the next Ryan Leaf :-( Tell me yu can't picture him flippin out on a reporter lol. Also Clausen's delivery looks verrrrryyyyy similarrrrrrrr to like Colt Brennans. Now draft insiders ATE Colt alive for that. how come no1 is mentioning it for Clausen? I would like to know Shanahan's opinion of Brennan as well. He likes a QB with a quick release and is mobile in the pocket, not sayin he should start or anythin of CULT status but if we keep Campbell, sign a vet (jeff garcia?) and draft a QB @ #4 or later round, there will clearly be no room for him :-(

02-11-2010, 11:46 AM	#74
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D Neither Clausen or Bradford is worth taking at 4... or even 10 as far as i'm concerned. Hopefully we wont draft a QB just for the sake of drafting a QB. Neither Clausen or Bradford look dramatically better than the QB we already have. I recognize that we need to find a franchise QB, but reaching and drafting one way too high is not the way to do it. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

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