Redskins vs. Cowboys Gameday thread

[GTripp0012]

Campbell and our recievers were playing great earlier, but in both of the last two games, they haven't produced in the way we need them to against either Pittsburgh or Dallas.

And the pass protection is totally abysmal. It's getting to the point where if you load up the box and take away the run against the Redskins, there's simply no time to get Moss behind the defense.

Look, either Zorn's serious about fixing this protection and we can get to 11 or 12 wins, or he's not serious about it, we limp to 10 wins and we're at the mercy of the tiebreaker system. This team does A LOT of things very well, but a few things it absolutely can't do are killing the offense.

Don't forget that Randle El's injury came at the worst possible time. Devin Thomas isn't an NFL receiver, James Thrash is very close to not being an NFL receiver, and there's just nothing behind them. We're a very talented team with major flaws. The flaws can absolutely be corrected, but I no longer think the offensive issues will correct themselves. We need to remove the players who just can't play at this level (Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Devin Thomas) from the offensive gameplan. Only then can the Redskins allow Portis, Campbell, Moss, and Cooley to flourish.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell and our recievers were playing great earlier, but in both of the last two games, they haven't produced in the way we need them to against either Detroit or Dallas.

And the pass protection is totally abysmal. It's getting to the point where if you load up the box and take away the run against the Redskins, there's simply no time to get Moss behind the defense.

Look, either Zorn's serious about fixing this protection and we can get to 11 or 12 wins, or he's not serious about it, we limp to 10 wins and we're at the mercy of the tiebreaker system. This team does A LOT of things very well, but a few things it absolutely can't do are killing the offense.

Don't forget that Randle El's injury came at the worst possible time. Devin Thomas isn't an NFL receiver, James Thrash is very close to not being an NFL receiver, and there's just nothing behind them. We're a very talented team with major flaws. The flaws can absolutely be corrected, but I no longer think the offensive issues will correct themselves. We need to remove the players who just can't play at this level (Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Devin Thomas) from the offensive gameplan. Only then can the Redskins allow Portis, Campbell, Moss, and Cooley to flourish.

I think Thomas would be a stretch. God knows Jansen and Rabach need to go. Kendall.. I think he's flying under the radar, I don't know how he's been doing honestly. Hes part of that strong side over with Samuels. So I wouldn't mind keeping him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think Thomas would be a stretch. God knows Jansen and Rabach need to go. Kendall.. I think he's flying under the radar, I don't know how he's been doing honestly. Hes part of that strong side over with Samuels. So I wouldn't mind keeping him.

Kendall is having a great year. Samuels WAS having a great year, but the injury is clearly making a difference. Rabach is awful. Thomas is awful. Jansen hasn't been that bad, but he's not agile enough to block someone with more than one move. Luckily, on the right side, most of the rushers he faces only have one move, and he did pretty well tonight. Campbell has little faith in him and keeps flushing himself on plays were Jansen actually has pretty good leverage.

The OL is pretty good at run blocking, but it doesn't matter if teams can just stack the box on you.

We faced a lot of piss poor opposing coaches in the the first half of the season, which I think masked a lot of issues with the offensive line. We were able to grind out the fourth quarter because Campbell was BURNING people who blitzed us. So rather than fill the box and not blitz, these idiot coaches just backed way off and Portis just gashed them.

Randle El has been huge this year for us, but when he's hurt there's just nothing the passing game can hope to accomplish. Our offensive depth is beyond the realm of awful. Back in 2006, a lack of depth on defense killed us. We've totally fixed that problem, and we now have great depth on defense, but we need everyone healthy on offense to be great and we're just not.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Kendall is having a great year. Samuels WAS having a great year, but the injury is clearly making a difference. Rabach is awful. Thomas is awful. Jansen hasn't been that bad, but he's not agile enough to block someone with more than one move. Luckily, on the right side, most of the rushers he faces only have one move, and he did pretty well tonight. Campbell has little faith in him and keeps flushing himself on plays were Jansen actually has pretty good leverage.

The OL is pretty good at run blocking, but it doesn't matter if teams can just stack the box on you.

We faced a lot of piss poor opposing coaches in the the first half of the season, which I think masked a lot of issues with the offensive line. We were able to grind out the fourth quarter because Campbell was BURNING people who blitzed us. So rather than fill the box and not blitz, these idiot coaches just backed way off and Portis just gashed them.

Randle El has been huge this year for us, but when he's hurt there's just nothing the passing game can hope to accomplish. Our offensive depth is beyond the realm of awful. Back in 2006, a lack of depth on defense killed us. We've totally fixed that problem, and we now have great depth on defense, but we need everyone healthy on offense to be great and we're just not.

That's a good point about Jansen. He actually held his own tonight -- props need to go to him. Still, if he's in Washington in 2009 I'll be stunned.

I don't know if I agree that Randle El has been 'huge' for us this year. Zorn seems to be working him in the gameplan more than Gibbs ever did, but when you look at our overall pass production (granted blocking has sucked) he still hasn't given us much in terms of a #2 guy.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell and our recievers were playing great earlier, but in both of the last two games, they haven't produced in the way we need them to against either Pittsburgh or Dallas.

And the pass protection is totally abysmal. It's getting to the point where if you load up the box and take away the run against the Redskins, there's simply no time to get Moss behind the defense.

Look, either Zorn's serious about fixing this protection and we can get to 11 or 12 wins, or he's not serious about it, we limp to 10 wins and we're at the mercy of the tiebreaker system. This team does A LOT of things very well, but a few things it absolutely can't do are killing the offense.

Don't forget that Randle El's injury came at the worst possible time. Devin Thomas isn't an NFL receiver, James Thrash is very close to not being an NFL receiver, and there's just nothing behind them. We're a very talented team with major flaws. The flaws can absolutely be corrected, but I no longer think the offensive issues will correct themselves. We need to remove the players who just can't play at this level (Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Devin Thomas) from the offensive gameplan. Only then can the Redskins allow Portis, Campbell, Moss, and Cooley to flourish.

Well who do you suggest we bring in for Rabach, RT and DT? Once the season starts there really isn't much you can do. The back ups are back ups for a reason. The personel changes can't be made until the off season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well who do you suggest we bring in for Rabach, RT and DT? Once the season starts there really isn't much you can do. The back ups are back ups for a reason. The personel changes can't be made until the off season.

Yep. Pretty much the problem here.

If you, or I, or Smootsmack were running this team, we don't go into the season with James Thrash and two rookies behind the two starters. We also don't ignore Rabach's weakness all offseason.

I think the front office has done a pretty good job getting us to 6-4 in a transition year, but there were easy solutions (cough, DJ Hackett) available that we just ignored in the offseason. And now were here. Not 8-2 or 7-3, but 6-4.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yep. Pretty much the problem here.

Exactly! Zorn knows that we have a serious problem in pass-pro and it's probably going to be like that the rest of the season. Now the question is: can Zorn adjust his playcalling to compensate for the horrible pass protection?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

Exactly! Zorn knows that we have a serious problem in pass-pro and it's probably going to be like that the rest of the season. Now the question is: can Zorn adjust his playcalling to compensate for the horrible pass protection?

Yeah, the way you adjust for poor pass protection is to throw shorter, quicker passing routes -- which is exactly what everyone is complaining about. So until they learn how to pass block, Zorn will have to get the ball out of Jason Campbell's hands as quickly as possible. And that means no deep ball.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

Exactly! Zorn knows that we have a serious problem in pass-pro and it's probably going to be like that the rest of the season. Now the question is: can Zorn adjust his playcalling to compensate for the horrible pass protection?

In response to a question about why we threw short so much, Zorn said he had to adjust to what he COULD run, given the pass pro problems. He also said they'll consider all their schemes and play calling to see what might be fixable. The high number of screens and quick passes to the WRs was a result of the poor pass pro tonight.

[theJBexperience]

We're battling for the final wild card spot, and we always have a late season push, which is great. We make the playoffs and may win one post season game. But is this team really improving? I thought we were at the start of the season, but I don't think so any more.

[johnerotten]

you actually think that shit tonight was pass protection?

[hooskins]

Bad OL, officiating, offense, etc. A game of missed opportunities....as usual.

This stuff kills me, if we were clearly the inferior team then I wouldn't mind. I will give Dallas props for running all over us in the end...

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Also Moss should have had that deep pass

[matter2003]

you guys got jobbed by the officials on the last meaningful play of the game. 4th and 2, Crayton comes in motion and is clearly moving forward towards the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball. Should have been flagged for illegal motion but inexplicably wasn't. It was really obvious watching on TV that should have been a penalty, which would have likely forced a field goal attempt on a 4th and 7. I am not even a Redskins fan(I live in buffalo and am a Bills fan), but that was a horrendous no call by the official...

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by matter2003

you guys got jobbed by the officials on the last meaningful play of the game. 4th and 2, Crayton comes in motion and is clearly moving forward towards the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball. Should have been flagged for illegal motion but inexplicably wasn't. It was really obvious watching on TV that should have been a penalty. I am not even a Redskins fan(I live in buffalo and am a Bills fan), but that was a horrendous no call by the official...

Sadly, even if the bad calls had gone our way, our defense would have found a way to waste those opportunities.