Mcnabb to Washington?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'll take that to mean you'd have to not have a brain to make that deal. We're not the Vikings where all you need is a QB better than Jackson or Rosenfels to be a Super Bowl team. A 33 year old QB who has had a pretty good defense his entire career and a HC who makes the o-line a priority and a pretty good back in Westbrook should have had a pretty good career. Hell, they even made A.J. Feeley look good enough to get a big contract. He can keep throwing the ball in the dirt in Philly. No thank you.

No but having a QB like Mcnabb can make us that team. I believe the Viks were inspired by Farve and stepped up their game because he gave them the ability to see themselves as contenders.

I believe having Mcnabb would inspire our entire team to play at the next level, if for no other reason than purely because they know Mcnabb has been there. He's a proven leader. And playing in NFC East they have seen him often enough to know he's a winner.

I don't care what kind of team we put together. Under JC we will go nowhere!

The Skins don't believe in him. neither do I.

BTW good to see you 53

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Here is the bottom line, Philly under McNabb has dominated the NFC East. It isn't even close. JC has accomplished nothing, and I mean NOTHING. He hasn't won any meaningful regular season games. He has won no divisions. He hasn't been to the playoffs, let alone win a playoff game. He has been to zero NFC Championship games and from a statistical perspective JC is way below the mean from a winning percentage as a starting QB. Do we need to bring up Pro-Bowls?

Actually, the pro-bowls are the only thing that count to me. You go to a pro-bowl and about 85% of the reason is ALL YOU. If you got to the playoffs or get to /win the big one, that's a team effort thing.

A lot of people make the mistake of lumping win and lost columns into the QB's stats. Wake up guys. Tom Brady has never won a superbowl. The kicker that won each of those games has more rings than he does you know. Vinatieri made the 45 yarder to tie, and a 25 yarder to win brady's first ring. Final play in the win against the rams? Another 48 yarder from Adam. The man has 20 last minute field goal wins that too many people give Tom Brady the credit for. Stop giving QB's all the credit!

As for Donovan having done more with less, he has never HAD less!?! Seriously, Until you have a comparably bad o-line, a bad coach, a revolving door of crappy kickers, and an 80 year old veteran with less experience than you as a back-up, then you are in a better situation. McNabb is in an offense BUILT around his abilities, has always had a good to awesome o-line, and has usualy had as good or better receivers.

Also, please stop saying that jason hasn't had the big win or big this or that because Jason's play has not been the steady factor in our losses. Once again, against the Saints he completed 30 of 42 for 367 yards. The man avoided getting sacked the whole game and had a passer rating of 111.9 but his 3 touchdown passes meant NOTHING because Sellers fumbled the ball in overtime! Without Portis, our running game was, once again crap. He had to carry the team on his own, getting beaten up and thrown to the ground after every other throw. The big win was snatched away from his magical QB rating column thanks to Sellers. Yes, i can go to the interception that was fumbled and other things that happened, but i'm talking about our last posession in overtime.

I will get over it if McNabb takes the reigns, but i would rather give JC what it takes to win and watch the man go.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

You guys are funny. The whole thing might just be to see what they want for McNabb so they can expect what to get from trading JC. Sort of an intelligence gathering operation for further use. McNabb is not the best in the league by far, and is indeed just above average like JC, and he had a much better WR corp than JC to work with. I would worry more about JC being future trade bait in the not too distant future. Look for a possible deal come draft time.

Exactly

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

SmootSmack has repeatedly said that we should expect some personnel head-scratchers from MS. If this is anything more than a passing check for value, this would be a head-scratcher to me. Nothing against McNabb but the Eagles might not do this cheap and we are in prime position to land a young QB, so wtf?

I'm thinking more in terms of a draft weekend head scratcher like trading our trading our 2nd and 4th picks to move up into the bottom of the 1st to make sure we get Colt McCoy. That kind of thing.

As far as I know, there's no serious interest in getting McNabb. And if I was McNabb, I'd actually be pretty pissed if the Eagles traded me to the Redskins. Yeah Donovan, we appreciate all you've done for us, we want to put you someplace you're happy, we totally respect you...but not so much that we mind playing you twice a year.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Actually, the pro-bowls are the only thing that count to me. You go to a pro-bowl and about 85% of the reason is ALL YOU. If you got to the playoffs or get to /win the big one, that's a team effort thing.

A lot of people make the mistake of lumping win and lost columns into the QB's stats. Wake up guys. Tom Brady has never won a superbowl. The kicker that won each of those games has more rings than he does you know. Vinatieri made the 45 yarder to tie, and a 25 yarder to win brady's first ring. Final play in the win against the rams? Another 48 yarder from Adam. The man has 20 last minute field goal wins that too many people give Tom Brady the credit for. Stop giving QB's all the credit!

As for Donovan having done more with less, he has never HAD less!?! Seriously, Until you have a comparably bad o-line, a bad coach, a revolving door of crappy kickers, and an 80 year old veteran with less experience than you as a back-up, then you are in a better situation. McNabb is in an offense BUILT around his abilities, has always had a good to awesome o-line, and has usualy had as good or better receivers.

Also, please stop saying that jason hasn't had the big win or big this or that because Jason's play has not been the steady factor in our losses. Once again, against the Saints he completed 30 of 42 for 367 yards. The man avoided getting sacked the whole game and had a passer rating of 111.9 but his 3 touchdown passes meant NOTHING because Sellers fumbled the ball in overtime! Without Portis, our running game was, once again crap. He had to carry the team on his own, getting beaten up and thrown to the ground after every other throw. The big win was snatched away from his magical QB rating column thanks to Sellers. Yes, i can go to the interception that was fumbled and other things that happened, but i'm talking about our last posession in overtime.

I will get over it if McNabb takes the reigns, but i would rather give JC what it takes to win and watch the man go.

I guess this had nothing to do with our "sorry ass" O line protecting him? Can't give JC all the credit if you don't give him all the fault.

Yes JC and the Skins had a VERY NICE GAME. BUT Saints had a VERY BAD GAME. or are we actually able to beat a SB team? If that is the case then a better QB would definatly make the diff.

Im not a Mcnabb fan at all. But, I'm not against him coming here.

We have given JC what he needs to win. But, he just cant win.

Can you imagine if Barry Sanders played on the sorry Lions? He would have never emerged as one of and IMO the best back ever. Oh wait he did play with the sorry Lions.

Im not comparing QB to Backs but in there respective positions talent stands out despite the team you have around you. Put JC on the Saints and they don't make the playoffs.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Getting McNabb would be a huge mistake. I just hope this is just BA f'ing around with other teams. I'm still amazed at how so many fans still think we're one player away from contending. We need to rebuild (starting with the oline) and stop wasting picks on what seems like a quick fix.

Andy Reid is looking to find the best situation for McNabb and I can understand that since he thinks so highly of him. However, I don't think it will be here......neither do I think they're convinced he can still perform at the level they expect from him otherwise they wouldn't be interested in trading him.

McNabb is nowhere close to being the QB he was before suffering injury two years in a row. His legs were always his gratest strength, he's not the threat to run as much anymore, and he's demonstrated he's not totally effective from the pocket.

We need to stop drafting QB's and then cutting them. We would be better served drafting a position player instead of the Brennans' and Palmers who have little or no chance of ever playing.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by 44ever

I guess this had nothing to do with our "sorry ass" O line protecting him?

Right. it DIDN'T! Jason Campbell was punished throught the game. He threw the ball away as he got smashed a few times and when he did make completions, he ususally didn't get to see them since he was on his butt with a saint on him.

you can't say the Saints happened to have a bad game cuz Brees threw over 400 yards. You CAN say that they had better field position and our defense did their job. You CAN say that we had BAD field position and no punt returns.

As for the Barry Sanders analogy... you are retarded to use aguably the greatest runningback of all time as an analogy, but sure I'll bite. Lets give him the same win-loss column and see where he stands. lets blame HIM for them not making the playoffs. if you blame him the way you do JC, then he and Barry Sanders both fall into the "Good, but not quite enough" category.

Nice try

[cdskins26]

Great idea look how it lines up:
Eagles Get: An unproven quarterback whose red zone interceptions will cause the Philly fans to boo him as if it's their career.
Redskins Get: The only quarterback less clutch than ours who is over the hill and should be in the afc.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Right. it DIDN'T! Jason Campbell was punished throught the game. He threw the ball away as he got smashed a few times and when he did make completions, he ususally didn't get to see them since he was on his butt with a saint on him.

you can't say the Saints happened to have a bad game cuz Brees threw over 400 yards. You CAN say that they had better field position and our defense did their job. You CAN say that we had BAD field position and no punt returns.

As for the Barry Sanders analogy... you are retarded to use aguably the greatest runningback of all time as an analogy, but sure I'll bite. Lets give him the same win-loss column and see where he stands. lets blame HIM for them not making the playoffs. if you blame him the way you do JC, then he and Barry Sanders both fall into the "Good, but not quite enough" category.

Nice try

Cant blame Sanders because despite a bad team he still performed. But yeah guess you got me there. You keep believing in Campbell. I'm done.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would LOVE McNabb on this team. He could easily play another 4-5 seasons and still be pretty damn good. You've got to be high to not like this potential move. Doubt it will happen, but I would gladly give up a 2nd rounder for him.

Okung with #4, McNabb for our 2nd rounder = no brainer.

But you do you think that we're close enough to fielding a Super Bowl quality team within the next few seasons? I think he could play a few years but by the time we're ready to compete I think we're looking at him on the decline.

[53Fan]

I'm sure there will be a pick at #37 who can be very productive for this team for many years. I wouldn't give it up for McNabb. Good to see you too 44ever! Welcome back buddy.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

But you do you think that we're close enough to fielding a Super Bowl quality team within the next few seasons? I think he could play a few years but by the time we're ready to compete I think we're looking at him on the decline.

You think it's going to take more than 4-5 years?

It doesn't take that long to turn a team around, and it's not like this team is totally void of talent.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

This is the worst idea ever. WE ARE NOT ONE PLAYER AWAY FROM COMPETING. The Vikings are the only team that makes sense.

I agree, any other year I wouldve supported this trade, but we really need to get a young QB for the future.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm sure there will be a pick at #37 who can be very productive for this team for many years. I wouldn't give it up for McNabb.

Yeah, we gotta get some young studs on this squad, and the 37th pick SHOULD yield us one.

[right21arm]

No McNabb. There is no reason to skip over Okung/a lineman in the first round. There will be plenty of QBs for us to snag in the second....maybe why we have been meeting with so many of them. If we don't have a line to protect a rookie, or any, QB then what's the point? Just be a different jason campbell running for his life (but hopefully smart enough to not run out of bounds before throwing the ball away...twice)