WFT's Off-Season Thread

[MTK]

I'd really doubt we're moving Scherff.

[skinsfan69]

Remember when everyone on here ( including me) was just killing Bruce for signing Flowers? He was arguably our best linemen and was pretty damn good at LG. This is a really good move if he can still retain that level of play we saw from him the one year he was here. Good move WFT!

[SunnySide]

18 million for Scherff

9M for Flowers

5M for Schweitzer

plus a 3rd (martin) and 4th rounder (charles)

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vs a total of 14.5M for our tackles, 15M for our WRs .. positions much more impactful then guards ...

I dont fucking get it

and I dont view Flowers as an upgrade over Schweitzer .. and its a massive overpay .. wtf

Flowers is a JAG, Schweitzer is slightly above a jag

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Couldnt we have used that 9 MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT this year on signing Scherff long term and reducing his cap hit this year or resign Allen?

9 million in a 187.5M cap year is huge ... for a average at best starter .. at a position we have already invested heavy resources in .. for a position that yo shoudnt be heavily investing in ..

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Remember when everyone on here ( including me) was just killing Bruce for signing Flowers? He was arguably our best linemen and was pretty damn good at LG. This is a really good move if he can still retain that level of play we saw from him the one year he was here. Good move WFT!

Hope we can get him to return to his 2019 quality. He sucked everywhere but here. Wonder what trade picks were involved - I've heard everything from us switching our 19th with their 18th to us getting a 6th rounder for one of our 7ths (seems to be one of those we'll take on his contract type trades if you give us picks).

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

18 million for Scherff

9M for Flowers

5M for Schweitzer

plus a 3rd (martin) and 4th rounder (charles)

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vs a total of 14.5M for our tackles, 15M for our WRs .. positions much more impactful then guards ...

I dont fucking get it

and I dont view Flowers as an upgrade over Schweitzer .. and its a massive overpay .. wtf

Flowers is a JAG, Schweitzer is slightly above a jag

I think Wes and Scherff's contracts both expire after this year. So they won't be on the books next year. Not sure how many years Flowers has left. Hopefully at least 1 more.

[EdmundDorf]

Seems a little odd to do this right before the draft, I assume none of his salary is guaranteed so they can just cut him if they wish, but I think this means more, Martin out maybe, is Charles now LT or has an issue wr don't know about? Something is up and I would not be so quick to dismiss a trade of Scherrf, however unlikely, weirder things have happened, maybe they have found the next Bill O'Brien, a FO Newby who doesn't have clue

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I think Wes and Scherff's contracts both expire after this year. So they won't be on the books next year. Not sure how many years Flowers has left. Hopefully at least 1 more.

thats why we invested a 3rd in Martin and a 4th in Charles .. and could add an IOL with one of our 2 3rds in a few days ....

you dont overpay for Guards in this league .. you draft them cheap

Flowers brings nothing special. Hes not flight on his feet, he doesnt kick out into open space like Scherff does, he will get beat from time to time 1 on 1 ...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

18 million for Scherff

9M for Flowers

5M for Schweitzer

plus a 3rd (martin) and 4th rounder (charles)

-----------------------

vs a total of 14.5M for our tackles, 15M for our WRs .. positions much more impactful then guards ...

I dont fucking get it

and I dont view Flowers as an upgrade over Schweitzer .. and its a massive overpay .. wtf

Flowers is a JAG, Schweitzer is slightly above a jag

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Couldnt we have used that 9 MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT this year on signing Scherff long term and reducing his cap hit this year or resign Allen?

9 million in a 187.5M cap year is huge ... for a average at best starter .. at a position we have already invested heavy resources in .. for a position that yo shoudnt be heavily investing in ..

Agree. Wes Schweitzer played great last year. I think he is better than Flowers.

How does this work with the cap number?

[njant]

Flowers is brought here to be the starting LG if it works out which I think I will and if we cut him only on the hook for 1 million of the 9 million good move with high upside and very little down side if it doesn't work out.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by njant

Flowers is brought here to be the starting LG if it works out which I think I will and if we cut him only on the hook for 1 million of the 9 million good move with high upside and very little down side if it doesn't work out.

They are showing his dead cap at 8.75M for us ...

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washingt...flowers-16733/

I think hes a Skin this year no matter what

Assuming we dont trade Scherff or Wes .. how does RR look Wes in the eyes and tell them they basically just replaced him even though he did everything RR asked of him and played well?

RR made comments on how it would be unfair to Reaves to bring in Reid and have Reid start over him when Reaves has been doing what the team has been asking of him.

I have to assume Scherff or Wes is on the move.

Scherff to the Chiefs

[MTK]

PFF grades from 2020

Wes Schweitzer: overall 69.0, pass blocking 70.5, run blocking 65.7, 2 penalties, 5 sacks allowed.

Ereck Flowers: overall 65.9, pass blocking 73.8, run blocking 58.1, 3 penalties, 5 sacks allowed.

Not a huge difference here, should be a good competition if they go that route. If anything our depth just got better.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

thats why we invested a 3rd in Martin and a 4th in Charles .. and could add an IOL with one of our 2 3rds in a few days ....

you dont overpay for Guards in this league .. you draft them cheap

Flowers brings nothing special. Hes not flight on his feet, he doesnt kick out into open space like Scherff does, he will get beat from time to time 1 on 1 ...

Martin sucks, he will probably be released if this trade goes thru. Charles was drafted to be our LT. And that still might be the case once he's able to compete. But he at least has flexibility.

Scherff never should have been franchise tagged a 2nd time, but can't let that dictate the rest of the roster construction when we know he's gone next year.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

It's possible but I doubt it. Flowers plays LG so I don't think we acquired Flowers to replace Scherff.

Sweitzer would replace Sherff in his scenario.

[skinsfaninok]

It is possible that we could deal BS Thursday in a package to move up.. I doubt it tho

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

PFF grades from 2020

Wes Schweitzer: overall 69.0, pass blocking 70.5, run blocking 65.7, 2 penalties, 5 sacks allowed.

Ereck Flowers: overall 65.9, pass blocking 73.8, run blocking 58.1, 3 penalties, 5 sacks allowed.

Not a huge difference here, should be a good competition if they go that route. If anything our depth just got better.

I’m for competition but dang..between both these guys, that’s like 14 million at LG?

I can’t imagine Schreff is traded...but since he doesn’t have a long term future with team, why not see if you could grab a first?