Around the NFL (Week 2)

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Obviously it's a TEAM sport, and you only win if your TEAM is good. That being said, Rivers was the head of the team. Are you saying they would have went 14-2 with Brunell at the helm for instance? They were 14-2 because of Rivers...they were 14-2 because of LT...they were 14-2 because of the D.
BTW- Where did you get 38 tds? It was 31 (he also had 2 passing td's but they don't count towards the record) but even if you count those two it's 33.

My bad, but we are both wrong. He had 28 rushing TD's and 3 receiving TD's, and that is according to NFL.COM (NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League. So that is 31 TD's. Sorry, I was trying to remember off the top of my head, next time I will check up on my stats before I post them. And you are right it is a team sport. As for Brunell being at the helm in SD and still going 14-2, I don't know and neither does anyone else. That is nothing more than speculation. Offensively LT is a QB's dream come true he is good enough to take the pressure off of the QB. Oh, and since you did bring Bruenll up, look at how good Portis made him look in 2005. I am sorry Rivers is not the one that gets the credit for last years team, anyone will tell you that if they didn't have LT, Rivers couldn't handle the load himself. It's the same situation that Eli is in up in New York with him loosing Tiki...

[KLHJ2]

Eli hasn't looked Bad though. The offense isn't losing them games it is their Defense costing them.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Eli hasn't looked Bad though. The offense isn't losing them games it is their Defense costing them.

So far this year Eli is looking ok but as the season goes on I do think that he is going to miss Tiki in his backfield...

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Obviously it's a TEAM sport, and you only win if your TEAM is good. That being said, Rivers was the head of the team. Are you saying they would have went 14-2 with Brunell at the helm for instance? They were 14-2 because of Rivers...they were 14-2 because of LT...they were 14-2 because of the D.
BTW- Where did you get 38 tds? It was 31 (he also had 2 passing td's but they don't count towards the record) but even if you count those two it's 33.

Also, Rivers wasn't asked to throw 4 td's in a game or to win the game. He was a manager of the game last year and he was asked not to make mistakes and make sure the ball got from the center, to LT and let LT do the rest. I am not trying to cut down Rivers, but he was not the reason why the Chargers did that good last year.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

So far this year Eli is looking ok but as the season goes on I do think that he is going to miss Tiki in his backfield...

I think that Derrick Ward is doing a hell of a job filling in for Tiki. He already has over 200 all purpose yards and a TD through 1.5 games. He may not be Tiki, but he is doing a good job averaging over 6 yards per rushing attempt and 4 rececptions a game.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

My bad, but we are both wrong. He had 28 rushing TD's and 3 receiving TD's, and that is according to NFL.COM (NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League. So that is 31 TD's. Sorry, I was trying to remember off the top of my head, next time I will check up on my stats before I post them.

How are we both wrong? I was not wrong.
BTW- Where did you get 38 tds? It was 31 (he also had 2 passing td's but they don't count towards the record) but even if you count those two it's 33.

And you are right it is a team sport. As for Brunell being at the helm in SD and still going 14-2, I don't know and neither does anyone else. That is nothing more than speculation. Offensively LT is a QB's dream come true he is good enough to take the pressure off of the QB. Oh, and since you did bring Bruenll up, look at how good Portis made him look in 2005. I am sorry Rivers is not the one that gets the credit for last years team, anyone will tell you that if they didn't have LT, Rivers couldn't handle the load himself. It's the same situation that Eli is in up in New York with him loosing Tiki...

I think you missed my point. It's a combination of all of them. Sure LT is the man, and had a great year, but without that line, he would have never came close.
I'm not saying Rivers should get all the credit at all. Just that it's a team sport. He was part / HEAD of the team. That means something.
Eli needs more talent around him. He's a very good QB, but needs help to take it to the next level. Look at his performance last week (4 td's) and still got the loss. He needs a good team around him.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by angryssg

I think that Derrick Ward is doing a hell of a job filling in for Tiki. He already has over 200 all purpose yards and a TD through 1.5 games. He may not be Tiki, but he is doing a good job averaging over 6 yards per rushing attempt and 4 rececptions a game.

Yeah, his stats do look good but they have not played a D that impressed me yet. I mean Dallas D did not look good to me when they gave up 35 points to the Giants, and I am still not sold on GB's D, not yet...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Also, Rivers wasn't asked to throw 4 td's in a game or to win the game. He was a manager of the game last year and he was asked not to make mistakes and make sure the ball got from the center, to LT and let LT do the rest. I am not trying to cut down Rivers, but he was not the reason why the Chargers did that good last year.

Again, he was a big PART of it. You can't deny that.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

So far this year Eli is looking ok but as the season goes on I do think that he is going to miss Tiki in his backfield...

Who wouldn't miss a hall of famer in the backfield?

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by jsarno

How are we both wrong? I was not wrong.
BTW- Where did you get 38 tds? It was 31 (he also had 2 passing td's but they don't count towards the record) but even if you count those two it's 33.

You did say 31 TD's but you said that they were rushing TD's and then you ADDED 2 passing TD's to give him 33TD's, when, like I posted, he had 28 RUSHING TD's AND 3 PASSING TD'S, giving him a grand total of 31 TD'S. That is how you are wrong, he did not have 33TD's, he had 31 total TD's. I may have ben off by more than you but the fact is you still were wrong.

I am sorry I am human and I messed up my stats, but unlike you I can ADMIT when I am wrong...

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Who wouldn't miss a hall of famer in the backfield?

You really think he is a hall of famer?!?!

[KLHJ2]

I do not think that he performed at that high of a caliber for long enough to be considered for induction. Had he played his entire career like he played his under Coughlin then it would be a different story. The truth is he fumbled too much early on in his career.

He had 55 career rushing TD's and 53 Fumbles. He lost 22 of them. He also had 12 receiving TD's. But like I said he didn't blossom until his last 3 or 4 seasons. Tiki Barber

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by angryssg

I do not think that he performed at that high of a caliber for long enough to be considered for induction. Had he played his entire career like he played his under Coughlin then it would be a different story. The truth is he fumbled too much early on in his career.

I was just looking over his stats and he didn't have a 1000 yard season until his 4th year in the league (2000). Most HOF backs make their presence known instantly. Not to mention that he is 17th on the all-time rushing list and not even on the all-time TD list. Also, on the rushing list there are the likes of Curtis Martin, The Bus, Faulk and Dillion that are all ahead of him... A HOF player I do not think that Tiki is one. Like you said if he played his whole career like the way he ended it then yes...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

You did say 31 TD's but you said that they were rushing TD's and then you ADDED 2 passing TD's to give him 33TD's, when, like I posted, he had 28 RUSHING TD's AND 3 PASSING TD'S, giving him a grand total of 31 TD'S. That is how you are wrong, he did not have 33TD's, he had 31 total TD's. I may have ben off by more than you but the fact is you still were wrong.

I am sorry I am human and I messed up my stats, but unlike you I can ADMIT when I am wrong...

Dude, are you freakin blind? Read it again. He had 31 td's. (IF YOU COUNT THE 2 PASSING TD'S IT'S 33, BUT THEY DON'T COUNT!!) Said NOTHING about rushing TD's.

Here it is again, please feel free to read it in it's entirety!!!!
BTW- Where did you get 38 tds? It was 31 (he also had 2 passing td's but they don't count towards the record) but even if you count those two it's 33.
I wasn't counting them, I was saying even if YOU count them, it's 33, but as you can clearly see (well as the rest of the world can clearly see) I said he had 31 td's. Not 31 rushing td's, not 31 receiving td's, not 31 passing td's.

So unless you seriously have a seeing problem, your next post should be an apology. (although I won't hold my breathe since you seem not to be able to read plain text)

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

You really think he is a hall of famer?!?!

I think he is, but it will be close. He is 10th all time in all purpose yards, and had 67 td's, which is pretty good. Plus he was dominant for 5 straight years.