2012 QB Class

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Landry44

I believe Landry Jones will be a good qb, but i believe that RG3 is more mobile and more accurate passing the football than both Jones and Barkley.

You're talking in circles. After you criticized me for saying I liked Jones over RG3, you then say Jones is the #2 QB in the draft behind Luck , but now RG3 is once again better than Jones and Barkley? Make up your mind.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You're talking in circles. After you criticized me for saying I liked Jones over RG3, you then say Jones is the #2 QB in the draft behind Luck , but now RG3 is once again better than Jones and Barkley? Make up your mind.

What is so confusing about what I'm saying? Landry Jones and Matt Barkley are both very good qbs, but RG3 is a better fit for what we do here. He's more accurate and more mobile than both Jones and Barkley. Do you disagree? If you disagree then you're only exposing your lack of football knowledge. If you agree then what are we talking about here?

[skinsfaninok]

I've seen RG3 play and he's a better passer than some think BUT I'd rather have Barkely

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Landry44

What is so confusing about what I'm saying? Landry Jones and Matt Barkley are both very good qbs, but RG3 is a better fit for what we do here. He's more accurate and more mobile than both Jones and Barkley. Do you disagree? If you disagree then you're only exposing your lack of football knowledge. If you agree then what are we talking about here?

What exactly do "we do here?" The Shanny's inherited a mobile QB who was entrenched with this team (Campbell) and immediately shipped him off. Then we traded important picks for another mobile and accomplished QB and proceeded to give up on him pretty quickly (McNabb). Then Mike "stakes his reputation" on two different QBs, one immobile and and one mobile, neither of which look like anything to write home about.

So it seems to me that "what we do here" is irrelevant really. We don't do anything as far as the QB position is concerned. Kyle had a pretty darn good offense in Houston with Matt Schaub. He's not RG3 as far as athleticism is concerned. So in my eyes, if you feel Jones is a better pro prospect than RG3 in a vacuum (which I do, too), that's the guy we go with.

And like I said before, RG3 is accurate, but padding stats against Rice and Stephen F. Austin while Jones is shredding Texas Tech and K State doesn't really wow me. I wouldn't be surprised if RG3 goes back to school for another year. He'll be a much higher pick than if he comes out after this season.

[skinsfaninok]

I have no clue what this team is wanting to do anymore, I mean if u throw beck and grossman out there which means what? Just trying to get through the season w 4-5 wins? That's what it looks like now

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by GMScud

What exactly do "we do here?" The Shanny's inherited a mobile QB who was entrenched with this team (Campbell) and immediately shipped him off. Then we traded important picks for another mobile and accomplished QB and proceeded to give up on him pretty quickly (McNabb). Then Mike "stakes his reputation" on two different QBs, one immobile and and one mobile, neither of which look like anything to write home about.

So it seems to me that "what we do here" is irrelevant really. We don't do anything as far as the QB position is concerned. Kyle had a pretty darn good offense in Houston with Matt Schaub. He's not RG3 as far as athleticism is concerned. So in my eyes, if you feel Jones is a better pro prospect than RG3 in a vacuum (which I do, too), that's the guy we go with.

And like I said before, RG3 is accurate, but padding stats against Rice and Stephen F. Austin while Jones is shredding Texas Tech and K State doesn't really wow me. I wouldn't be surprised if RG3 goes back to school for another year. He'll be a much higher pick than if he comes out after this season.

This proves that you don't watch college football or you don't understand it. You keep bring up the fact that RG3 had incredible games against Stephen F. Austin and Rice. You completely dismissing his 350 yard 5td performance against K State. He threw for 400 yards against both Texas A&M and OKST this Saturday even though his team was completely over matched. I'm not taking anything away from Landry Jones because I believe he is indeed a great qb. However, lets be real every Oklahoma qb puts up big numbers. He's playing for a much better team with better talent on both sides of the ball. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

What sense would it make for RG3 to come back to school? He's already been there for 4 years, he has his degree, and most of the guys he's playing with are seniors. It would be stupid for him to come back definitely with his draft stock rising the way it is. More than likely he'll declare this up and coming draft. If he's there when it's our time to pick we take him.

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[GMScud]

Landry44- you have absolutely no idea what you're even arguing. It's hilarious and you look foolish, so I encourage you to just stop. You've got a chubby for RG3. We get it. All I ever said is that I'd prefer to have Barkley or Jones as a Redskin. That's it. And then you agreed!! What the hell are you even saying? I never once said Jones was more mobile or had a better comp % than Griffith. Yet for some reason you insist on beating me over the head with it? Huh?

Seems to me your MO is to just come on here brag about how much college football knowledge you think you have. It's weak man.

Way to conveniently ignore my points about "what we do here," etc.

[CRedskinsRule]

So, not being a college FB fan, I won't make an argument about any of the qb's. I am absolutely confused by Landry44's arguments tho'. So this is mainly to you collegeFBguy:

BigC stated early on, he preferred RGIII to Landry Jones because RGIII is a better fit for what we do here. You said he(BigC) obviously doesn't watch college FB after Lotus asked why not Landry Jones.

Then later you are saying RGIII fits better here than LJ because of what we do, and say GMScud obviously has no collegeFB IQ because he prefers LJ.

Seems like you reversed your position 100%, but maybe not, I just couldn't follow your arguments, so I was hoping you could clarify your thoughts for me (a non-collegeFBguy).

Also, for me, I am just really glad that there seems to be many qb's that will be available next draft.

[Chico23231]

RGIII probably wont even come out this year as SS has stated. Regardless, both RGIII and Landry are very talented guys, 1st round guys. If you want the best QB prospect are you willing to pay the price, Im saying yes. Luck will be worth it.

[SkinzWin]

Moore, RG3, and Barkley talk is a moot point. We are giving up 4 1st round picks to trade up to take Luck!!! DUH

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So, not being a college FB fan, I won't make an argument about any of the qb's. I am absolutely confused by Landry44's arguments tho'. So this is mainly to you collegeFBguy:

BigC stated early on, he preferred RGIII to Landry Jones because RGIII is a better fit for what we do here. You said he(BigC) obviously doesn't watch college FB after Lotus asked why not Landry Jones.

Then later you are saying RGIII fits better here than LJ because of what we do, and say GMScud obviously has no collegeFB IQ because he prefers LJ.

Seems like you reversed your position 100%, but maybe not, I just couldn't follow your arguments, so I was hoping you could clarify your thoughts for me (a non-collegeFBguy).

Also, for me, I am just really glad that there seems to be many qb's that will be available next draft.

LMAO! I never reversed my position. Someone on here said, I'm not sure who, "I'm not sold on Landry Jones." Landry Jones is a great qb and I not once said that he wasn't. I never reversed my position on that. All I'm saying is that I believe that RG3 is a better fit for what we do here based on his mobility and accuracy. Now if I had said that I was no longer sold on Landry Jones then you would have a point.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Landry44

LMAO! I never reversed my position. Someone on here said, I'm not sure who, "I'm not sold on Landry Jones." Landry Jones is a great qb and I not once said that he wasn't. I never reversed my position on that. All I'm saying is that I believe that RG3 is a better fit for what we do here based on his mobility and accuracy. Now if I had said that I was no longer sold on Landry Jones then you would have a point.

Gotcha. Here is, maybe, a consideration for you. Rather than question a person's entire college FB knowledge in a post, discuss it. Here is the original post from Big C:

Originally Posted by Big C

not sold on landry jones as an elite prospect. like i said RGIII is my favorite and i think he would fit perfectly in our system. accurate, a leader, and extremely mobile. plus he just keeps getting better. kellen moore would be good too, regardless of arm strength issues. hes smart, reads the game well, is extremely accurate, a winner, and has a quick release.

tannehill is a good shout, but i dont know about top 3.

to which you said (in response to Lotus - not displayed here) :

Originally Posted by Landry44

Because he obviously don't know anything about football. Landry Jones is the second best qb in this draft.

But yet in your statement to GMScud, you are in agreement with BigC's second statement which is a well worded brief description of why he likes RGIII.

Originally Posted by Landry44

What is so confusing about what I'm saying? Landry Jones and Matt Barkley are both very good qbs, but RG3 is a better fit for what we do here. He's more accurate and more mobile than both Jones and Barkley. Do you disagree? If you disagree then you're only exposing your lack of football knowledge. If you agree then what are we talking about here?

So if you agree with BigC's overall point that RGIII fits better here, then maybe Big C has some reasonable CFB knowledge, and if you agree LJ is the 2nd best QB in the draft, then maybe GMScud has reasonable CFB knowledge, and you simply disagree with parts of each of their assessments.
Again, the point is rather than attacking knowledgeable fans of CFB, why not simply discuss the areas you disagree?

No one here is psychic, and most of us are simply having discussions about what we see based on our history and background knowledge, and we have the discussions because we all have a common interest in seeing the Redskins be the best team in the league year in and year out.

[GMScud]

CRedskinsRule, for the win.

[Lotus]

Outstanding job CRed!

We should spend less time around here accusing others of ignorance and more time understanding the opinions of others, even if they differ from ours.