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KLHJ2 · 09-17-2007, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

I think he is, but it will be close. He is 10th all time in all purpose yards, and had 67 td's, which is pretty good. Plus he was dominant for 5 straight years.

But he had no Championships. They cannot induct Tiki without first inducting Monk. That would be a slap in the face.

jsarno · 09-17-2007, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I was just looking over his stats and he didn't have a 1000 yard season until his 4th year in the league (2000). Most HOF backs make their presence known instantly. Not to mention that he is 17th on the all-time rushing list and not even on the all-time TD list. Also, on the rushing list there are the likes of Curtis Martin, The Bus, Faulk and Dillion that are all ahead of him... A HOF player I do not think that Tiki is one. Like you said if he played his whole career like the way he ended it then yes...

You make good points against it, but with the exception of Faulk, none of those players were a threat to catch the ball like Barber was. I don't think what he did when he wasn't as starter has anything to do with it. Look at Steve Young...arguably the best QB ever (rating wise he is the best ever) and he didn't make his presence known. Even Tom Brady was a back up. It happens.

ps- you names sure fired first ballot Hall of Famers (except maybe Dillon, but he should make it anyway). Barber will be a question mark, but I think he'll get in because he was such a big double threat.

jsarno · 09-17-2007, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by angryssg

But he had no Championships. They cannot induct Tiki without first inducting Monk. That would be a slap in the face.

It's already a slap in the face to Monk. In my mind he should have been a no brainer hall of famer.

KLHJ2 · 09-17-2007, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

It's already a slap in the face to Monk. In my mind he should have been a no brainer hall of famer.

I meant to say "another slap in the face". Honestly though I cannot see Tiki getting in for a long time if at all.

jsarno · 09-17-2007, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by angryssg

I meant to say "another slap in the face". Honestly though I cannot see Tiki getting in for a long time if at all.

He might not. I think he'll be one of those fringe guys. I'm not sure, but not many good players retired last year, so Barber might not have much competition when he's up for it.

Every time Monk doesn't get in, it's a slap in the face to him, the fans, and every quiet, decent, kind person everywhere. It's a huge slap in the face really.

BleedBurgundy · 09-17-2007, 09:31 AM

How can Tiki be a hall of famer when he didn't maintain HOF caliber play for more than 4 or 5 years? Had he played 2 or 3 more years and padded his stats a little, then maybe, but there's no way he gets in. To steal a line from Peter King, "Hall of Very Good, not great."

EternalEnigma21 · 09-17-2007, 09:38 AM

yeah tiki could've had a case if he'd hung around for a few more years and racked up some stats, but he shouldnt go. he wasnt elite by any means... and the comparison to young is a little skewed... Young was a backup to a HOFer and when he got his shot he consistantly performed.

remember, when coughlin got the job he brought in Ron Dayne to have a competition with tiki... not because he wanted to motivate tiki, and not to be the number 2 back, but because they didn't believe tiki could be a featured back. Then, he takes the coach that made him into a pro bowler, retires early (announcing it in mid-season) publicly hanging him out to dry... and writes a book about how he was the reason coughlin had a job and if coughlin wasn't there he'd still be playing. another classy move by a giants player.

If you can make a case for Tiki, you should go ahead and make a case for Lavar... he had 4 good years too.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-17-2007, 10:01 AM

I didn't feel like reading this whole thread, but is it just me or did the Cowboys look pretty bad despite the points the Dolphins just handed them?

ArtMonkDrillz · 09-17-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I didn't feel like reading this whole thread, but is it just me or did the Cowboys look pretty bad despite the points the Dolphins just handed them?

Unfortunately I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you, yeah. I watched most of that game and the cowboys offense (when barber is in the backfield) seemed to really click. I hate to say it but romo made some impressive throws and it seems like he depends on TO enough that I'd be a bit surprised if there is the major melt down that we've all been hoping for.

At the same time, their defense isn't all that good. Trent Green looked like he needs to ride off into the sunset, because it seemed like a half way decent QB could have at least kept that game close.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-17-2007, 10:09 AM

I thought Barber played well, but didn't Romo miss like half his throws? The ones that were off were WAY off. The Dolphins dropped at least 3 INTs.

12thMan · 09-17-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I didn't feel like reading this whole thread, but is it just me or did the Cowboys look pretty bad despite the points the Dolphins just handed them?

I think it was a little of both. I think the Fins were playing them tight, then imploded down the wire.

I don't think it was an impressive victory at all.

skinsfan69 · 09-17-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

You get rid of him when you have a good replacement...in case you missed it, Brees is kinda sucking this year.

Well I'm going off his whole career. Yes he's not playing well this year but the previous two he did play very well. I'm just not sold on Rivers. You want to talk about sucking?

ArtMonkDrillz · 09-17-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I thought Barber played well, but didn't Romo miss like half his throws? The ones that were off were WAY off. The Dolphins dropped at least 3 INTs.

Well, he did only complete about 48% of his passes, so that's not great.
Now that I think about it, I really only watched the second half, when their offense was clicking, so I can't really say how he looked in the first half.

I'm retarded.

12thMan · 09-17-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Pats are that good. And Norv is that bad

AJ Smith is going to be kicking himself for a long time for letting Shott go. This guy goes 14-2 and you dump him for Norv Turner?

Classic case of arrogance if you ask me.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-17-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Well, he did only complete about 48% of his passes, so that's not great.
Now that I think about it, I really only watched the second half, when their offense was clicking, so I can't really say how he looked in the first half.

I'm retarded.

And how.

Seriously though, it looked easy because the Dolphins were giving them a thirty yard field to work from.

09-17-2007, 09:31 AM	#111
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Around the NFL (Week 2) How can Tiki be a hall of famer when he didn't maintain HOF caliber play for more than 4 or 5 years? Had he played 2 or 3 more years and padded his stats a little, then maybe, but there's no way he gets in. To steal a line from Peter King, "Hall of Very Good, not great." __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

09-17-2007, 09:38 AM	#112
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 45 Posts: 2,958	Re: Around the NFL (Week 2) yeah tiki could've had a case if he'd hung around for a few more years and racked up some stats, but he shouldnt go. he wasnt elite by any means... and the comparison to young is a little skewed... Young was a backup to a HOFer and when he got his shot he consistantly performed. remember, when coughlin got the job he brought in Ron Dayne to have a competition with tiki... not because he wanted to motivate tiki, and not to be the number 2 back, but because they didn't believe tiki could be a featured back. Then, he takes the coach that made him into a pro bowler, retires early (announcing it in mid-season) publicly hanging him out to dry... and writes a book about how he was the reason coughlin had a job and if coughlin wasn't there he'd still be playing. another classy move by a giants player. If you can make a case for Tiki, you should go ahead and make a case for Lavar... he had 4 good years too. __________________ I am the brute squad.

09-17-2007, 10:01 AM	#113
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Around the NFL (Week 2) I didn't feel like reading this whole thread, but is it just me or did the Cowboys look pretty bad despite the points the Dolphins just handed them? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-17-2007, 10:09 AM	#115
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Around the NFL (Week 2) I thought Barber played well, but didn't Romo miss like half his throws? The ones that were off were WAY off. The Dolphins dropped at least 3 INTs. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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