Do you think Rivera will successfully rebuild ?

[REDSKINS4ever]

He's 9-15 in the regular season so far coaching this team.

[skinsfaninok]

Ron is who he is, the record speaks for itself. He has a losing record and it would be much worse if it wasn't for that 15-1 season..

I'm starting to lose faith in him by the week..

[sdskinsfan2001]

Based on who he found to become our new FG K, I don't trust him to build a good sandwich from a delicatessen with all the trimmings.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Based on who he found to become our new FG K, I don't trust him to build a good sandwich from a delicatessen with all the trimmings.

Yeah. That was the nail in the coffin. I don't have much faith in the organization or any of the top guys. Wright blew it with the ST21 fiasco, Rivera blew it, JDR blew it, and of course Blewit blew it.

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yeah. That was the nail in the coffin. I don't have much faith in the organization or any of the top guys. Wright blew it with the ST21 fiasco, Rivera blew it, JDR blew it, and of course Blewit blew it.

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The ST situation was classic Snyder, unfortunately Jason Wright got caught in the crossfire.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yeah. That was the nail in the coffin. I don't have much faith in the organization or any of the top guys. Wright blew it with the ST21 fiasco, Rivera blew it, JDR blew it, and of course Blewit blew it.

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I highly doubt Wright had much to do w/ the Taylor embarrassment. That had Dan or Tayna written all over it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I highly doubt Wright had much to do w/ the Taylor embarrassment. That had Dan or Tayna written all over it.

That Wright didn't/couldn't/wouldn't step in and prevent it is where he blew it. Sure it was the Snyder's doing, but as the president, he had to put his fight in and draw the line, or if it was to be done over his objections- make damn sure that there are no port a potties in the pictures.

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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

That Wright didn't/couldn't/wouldn't step in and prevent it is where he blew it. Sure it was the Snyder's doing, but as the president, he had to put his fight in and draw the line, or if it was to be done over his objections- make damn sure that there are no port a potties in the pictures.

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I think couldn't is the key word there..

[SunnySide]

This is a good bye week discussion to have. Im 80% pro Ron but will have to think about this.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

This is a good bye week discussion to have. Im 80% pro Ron but will have to think about this.

I was pro-Ron but his lack of success in finding quality qb's is wearing thin on me.

60/40 for now, it will get worse if he can't find someone in the offseason.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by mooby

I was pro-Ron but his lack of success in finding quality qb's is wearing thin on me.

60/40 for now, it will get worse if he can't find someone in the offseason.

I think we need some local journalist to do a deep dive researched article on RRs efforts to land a true QB to date. What better time then the bye week. I want to read a cited and multi page article.

Was there an actual viable option that he passed on?

- Stafford we got outbid and dont think we had a chance.
- Watson? Texans asking price is unreasonably high, lots of baggage
- Fitz? Seemed like a lot here liked the move given the alternatives. Cant blame RR for injury, while Fitz is older at 38 hes been healthy enough lately
- Darnold? Bridgewater? Wentz? Was tyrod taylor available?
- Herbert? We all had a hard on for Chase and Herbert is hindsight thinking and not fair to RR. Plus Haskins was still the anointed one at the time.
- Haskins? Should we have kept him?



Fitz seemed like the best most sensible option.

At this point ... go get Watson for next year? But you have to trade a ton of capital plus sign a red flag to a mega deal ... then hope he fits and works out. Phins reportedly had a deal done but Watson wouldnt settle with the victims out of court and that was one of the Phins requirements.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I think we need some local journalist to do a deep dive researched article on RRs efforts to land a true QB to date. What better time then the bye week. I want to read a cited and multi page article.

Was there an actual viable option that he passed on?

- Stafford we got outbid and dont think we had a chance.
- Watson? Texans asking price is unreasonably high, lots of baggage
- Fitz? Seemed like a lot here liked the move given the alternatives. Cant blame RR for injury, while Fitz is older at 38 hes been healthy enough lately
- Darnold? Bridgewater? Wentz? Was tyrod taylor available?
- Herbert? We all had a hard on for Chase and Herbert is hindsight thinking and not fair to RR. Plus Haskins was still the anointed one at the time.
- Haskins? Should we have kept him?



Fitz seemed like the best most sensible option.

At this point ... go get Watson for next year? But you have to trade a ton of capital plus sign a red flag to a mega deal ... then hope he fits and works out. Phins reportedly had a deal done but Watson wouldnt settle with the victims out of court and that was one of the Phins requirements.

The combination of WFT's problems and Watsons's problems means there's no way he's coming here.

I heard on the Sports Junkies last Friday that part of Watson's settlement agreement was that he wanted all the details of what happened to be made public and his accusers wouldn't agree to that so he wouldnt settle with them. I found that very interesting.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

This is a good bye week discussion to have. Im 80% pro Ron but will have to think about this.

The question is certainly worth asking......Rivera has shown very little except for having the team go on a winning streak last year after starting off with a losing record.......now the WFT is 2-6........this is no different from Shanahan, Zorn, or Gruden.

[irish]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The question is certainly worth asking......Rivera has shown very little except for having the team go on a winning streak last year after starting off with a losing record.......now the WFT is 2-6........this is no different from Shanahan, Zorn, or Gruden.

In 2 seasons with WFT:
Spurrier 12-20
Shanny 11-22
Zorn 12-20
Gruden 13-19
Rivera 9-14 (so far)

Ron will be hard pressed to catch Gruden's win total and even Zorn's and Spurrier's wont be easy.

[MTK]

We've been down this path so many times. Everyone thinks they can come in here and right the ship. And then they get here and are quickly beaten down by this house of dumb that Dan built.

I will say though in this case, it's premature to say Ron can't do it. I think we need to give him his first 3 years and evaluate from there.