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Old 12-16-2020, 01:17 PM   #61
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That was your takeaway from this article?

I kinda agree with it, it sounds like Ron is saying this is a collaborative process that's bigger than just one man (which is how it should be).

Smith makes the list, Ron and his staff go over it and figure out who's the best fit and they work from there.

Only way I see Smith leaving is if he's beefing with Ron about who to go after. It could happen, sure, but we wouldn't know about it until Smith is out the door.

For now I choose to trust Ron and the path he leads us in.
I think Kyle leaves if Ron hires a new GM. Let's see if fans have faith in Ron if they step back next year, lose Kyle etc. It's Washington with Snyder, it's always something that screws up.
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Old 12-16-2020, 01:42 PM   #62
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I think Kyle leaves if Ron hires a new GM. Let's see if fans have faith in Ron if they step back next year, lose Kyle etc. It's Washington with Snyder, it's always something that screws up.
That's a given.
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Old 12-16-2020, 03:14 PM   #63
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That's a given.
This is all just talk of course. But I think It's going to be somebody from his past (Carolina maybe). Will will revisit this issue on why Kyle left, and blaming Ron. Remember this thread.
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Old 12-18-2020, 09:30 PM   #64
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Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?

Great podcast, GM talk at around the 20 minute mark, Rivera should trust Smith and quit fucking around. Talent evaluators like Smith donít grow on trees, just ask Detroit, Houston, Jacksonville, the Jets, etc.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7vJ5dyPqzE6BkOs17SVLxG
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Old 12-19-2020, 02:29 AM   #65
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What happens with Kyle Smith?

I hope Rivera doesnít let Kyle Smith go. It is AMAZING the talent that Kyle has pulled out of the dregs of the draft and UDFA. Most teams are VERY HAPPY to get one or two special teamís guy(s) out of a yearís UDFA and draft picks below the fifth round. Smith is finding very good, STARTING players, some in their ROOKIE YEAR, from those same low spots. McLaurin was a third round pick and heís a team superstar.

The Snyder era has seen the owner and his untalented GMís (Allen & Cerrato) make one bone-headed personnel decision after another. The team has drafted players with their top picks and these guys didnít even make it out of training camp THAT YEAR. The team traded away really high draft picks for FA they could have got for nothing.

We havenít had such a outstanding judge of talent since Bobby Bethards of the Gibbís era, over 30 years ago!! If Rivera doesnít make Smith the GM, Kyle will be offered such a position for a lot of money by another team!! And heís worth it! Make him the GM and watch this team grow!


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Old 12-19-2020, 12:32 PM   #66
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Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?

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Great podcast, GM talk at around the 20 minute mark, Rivera should trust Smith and quit fucking around. Talent evaluators like Smith donít grow on trees, just ask Detroit, Houston, Jacksonville, the Jets, etc.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7vJ5dyPqzE6BkOs17SVLxG
I'm a big Kyle Smith fan too, he's the best FO talent evaluator we've had in a while.

But the reality is, if Rivera doesn't know him well enough yet or hasn't developed trust with him, it's a hard sell to keep him if GM gets addressed next year. Keim mentioned Smith doesn't have the history with Rivera that others have, and I think that's a big driving factor. It's not to say that trust can't be developed, but it sounds like Ron isn't ready to hand him the GM job yet. Keim also mentioned a scenario where Ron hires a GM (probably someone he knows intimately) and Smith stays on in his current role to keep learning. With the way the league is I wouldn't be surprised if Smith gets a GM offer from somebody else, and if that happens we need to be prepared to let him advance his career elsewhere.

The #1 key thing you have to have is a partnership and trust between the GM and HC. That's why Carroll/Schneider are successful, yes Carroll probably has final say over Schneider but a coach/GM partnership will never work if the trust isn't there.

I think best case scenario Ron hires a GM and Kyle Smith stays on in his current role. Worst case? Kyle leaves. But the more we hear about this the more I think Ron isn't ready to have Kyle as his partner yet. (It could happen someday but I think Ron needs to see more).
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Old 12-19-2020, 12:40 PM   #67
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I'm a big Kyle Smith fan too, he's the best FO talent evaluator we've had in a while.

But the reality is, if Rivera doesn't know him well enough yet or hasn't developed trust with him, it's a hard sell to keep him if GM gets addressed next year. Keim mentioned Smith doesn't have the history with Rivera that others have, and I think that's a big driving factor. It's not to say that trust can't be developed, but it sounds like Ron isn't ready to hand him the GM job yet. Keim also mentioned a scenario where Ron hires a GM (probably someone he knows intimately) and Smith stays on in his current role to keep learning. With the way the league is I wouldn't be surprised if Smith gets a GM offer from somebody else, and if that happens we need to be prepared to let him advance his career elsewhere.

The #1 key thing you have to have is a partnership and trust between the GM and HC. That's why Carroll/Schneider are successful, yes Carroll probably has final say over Schneider but a coach/GM partnership will never work if the trust isn't there.

I think best case scenario Ron hires a GM and Kyle Smith stays on in his current role. Worst case? Kyle leaves. But the more we hear about this the more I think Ron isn't ready to have Kyle as his partner yet. (It could happen someday but I think Ron needs to see more).
Kyle grew up with a GM father and knows the inís and outís of being a GM. My point is I know there are many smart NFL people out there. In my opinion from what Iíve seen, Kyle is probably the smartest and one of the youngest talent evaluators, why give him away when you already have him. If Ron canít see Kyleís work, then I have a problem with Ron and this would be the only time that I wouldnít mind little Danny stepping in. Kyle has a keen eye that I donít see others have.
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Old 12-21-2020, 09:27 AM   #68
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Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?

Panthers fired their GM. What are the chances Rivera brings him in?

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Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?

It's possible.
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Panthers fired their GM. What are the chances Rivera brings him in?

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Panthers fired their GM. What are the chances Rivera brings him in?

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Are you referring to future Football Team GM Marty Hurney?

Because the more I read the more I think it's inevitable Ron brings in a guy he's known for a long time.
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Old 12-25-2020, 11:11 AM   #72
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Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?

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Are you referring to future Football Team GM Marty Hurney?

Because the more I read the more I think it's inevitable Ron brings in a guy he's known for a long time.
I think you are right.

The lack of commitment to Smith when RR speaks of him with his close relationship and history with Gurney points to Gurney being hired over Smith.

Keim interviewed the ESPN carolina reporter about Hurney. Goes in depth on his ability as GM and his ties with RR:

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aH...IzNWY3NTYxZDA1
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I think you are right.

Combining the lack of commitment to Smith when RR speaks of him with his close relationship and history with Gurney, indicates we're headed that way.

Keim interviewed the ESPN carolina reporter about Hurney. Goes in depth on his ability as GM and his ties with RR:

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aH...IzNWY3NTYxZDA1
I heard the podcast the other day. Kyle Smith has done in 3 years of drafting what Hurney has in 14 years, enough said. If Rivera wants to be stupid and lose Smith, let him. Anyone can see what Smith has done in a short amount of time.
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Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?

I believe the issue isnít Smithís drafting or talent evaluation, itís his inexperience with the rest of the duties of the GM position.
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I believe the issue isnít Smithís drafting or talent evaluation, itís his inexperience with the rest of the duties of the GM position.
Iím sure heís learned quite a bit from his GM father over the years.
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