Marty Hurney Thread

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Keim said 19 and Payne or Allen would do it

No way! That's the equivalent of two #1's, plus we lose a key player. Maybe we'd stretch a little by offering #19, one of our 3rd rounders, and a 4th or 5th round pick next year.

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Keim said 19 and Payne or Allen would do it

I'd rather send a 1st and one of our 3rd's.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by sevier2

I'd rather send a 1st and one of our 3rd's.

And even that’s too much

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sevier2

I'd rather send a 1st and one of our 3rd's.

Yup. That would work for me.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yup. That would work for me.

1st and Landon Collins, throw in Apke.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Reading articles and the Lions fan forum ... expectation is it will take a 1st plus something else. Colts, 9ers are the most talked about likely partners.

Our 1st plus a 3rd or so might do it.

im fine either way. But I would like to know what the Watson demand is so we could compare.

Stafford - 1st and 3rd?
Watson - two 1sts and a 3rd?

I think Watson fits our scheme more than Stafford. Plus age. Plus ability to extend broken plays.

I would totally do this. But I think this will take more ammo to get Watson. I also hope we are considered a target team for Watson, because if he doesn't want to come to our team, we're not getting him.

Aside from the Colts, I think we are probably the 2nd best team option for a QB.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I would totally do this. But I think this will take more ammo to get Watson. I also hope we are considered a target team for Watson, because if he doesn't want to come to our team, we're not getting him.

Aside from the Colts, I think we are probably the 2nd best team option for a QB.

Well, he wants to leave his current team because the organization is screwed up and the WFT is the nadir of screwed up organizations, so I doubt we're on his favorites list.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Well, he wants to leave his current team because the organization is screwed up and the WFT is the nadir of screwed up organizations, so I doubt we're on his favorites list.

Why wouldn't we be on his list?

We have a respected head coach in charge of all football matters.

We have young weapons on offense and could add more through free agency.

We have a near elite defense.

Adding him to the team would put us as an instant favorite to win the division.

People are talking about the Jets and Dolphins as options for Watson, solely based on their ability to provide picks for a trade. But are they any better than us as an organization?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why wouldn't we be on his list?

We have a respected head coach in charge of all football matters.

We have young weapons on offense and could add more through free agency.

We have a near elite defense.

Adding him to the team would put us as an instant favorite to win the division.

People are talking about the Jets and Dolphins as options for Watson, solely based on their ability to provide picks for a trade. But are they any better than us as an organization?

Two words: Dan Snyder.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Reading articles and the Lions fan forum ... expectation is it will take a 1st plus something else. Colts, 9ers are the most talked about likely partners.

Our 1st plus a 3rd or so might do it.

im fine either way. But I would like to know what the Watson demand is so we could compare.

Stafford - 1st and 3rd?
Watson - two 1sts and a 3rd?

I think Watson fits our scheme more than Stafford. Plus age. Plus ability to extend broken plays.

No retreads. In the last two drafts we have found solid long term starters at RB and WR with 3rd round pick. We should be able to find our long term shutdown corner or LT (or MLB or FS) with a 1st in this year's draft. We are NOT close to being a contender. We have a great DL and little else. We need a LOT of players. I love Stafford, but wouldn't trade for him, and certainly not a 1st round pick. Long term, you should hit on every first round pick and have 7-8 1st round starters on your team at any given time.

You have to do it the right way, find a long-term answer through the draft. A young guy that can lead your franchise for a decade or longer. You don't have to draft a top-10 QB to find a franchise QB, but it is harder.

Running QBs don't last. Eventually in the NFL the 250# monsters will catch you and break you. Look at this year's playoffs. The running QBs are hurt. The pocket passers have been playing since the Roman Empire collapsed. You're going to find your franchise QB, pay him $40M+ a year, and then let him take potshots from 300# linemen and bone-crushing LBs? And then lose him regularly to injuries? Sheer madness.

Trading for Stafford is horrible. We can get multiple players in prime on rookie deals that fill needs for what it would take to get him.

Watson can whine all he wants, he isn't getting traded, this is just the media running with a story so they have something to talk about. He is under contract, he is going to be told he isn't getting traded, but for now the GM will just let him run his mouth and wind himself down. Watson should have pondered longevity of coaching before signing $150M+ extension. What a crazy idea, that he actually honor that contract. He isn't going ANYWHERE. He wants to threaten to sit, they'll call his bluff, and go after his signing bonus. Push comes to shove, he'll play rather than surrender $35M+ a year.
Teams that believe they have their franchise QB won't trade him for ANYTHING, and the cap hit for cutting trading has to be something like $20M-$50M for Texans. Thus, even if wowed with 3 #1s, which is madness, trading not possible. Would you trade a franchise QB in his prime, suffer a $50M cap hit over two years (depending how much you defer to the following year), so you then have void at QB and have decimated your cap. Nope. Watson is NOT being traded unless it is an absolute King's Ransom and probably not even then. So everybody please just stop it.

Have to draft a long-term answer, not pursue the fool's gold of trading precious draft capital for guys on the backside of their career. If you are going to surrender draft picks, which we shouldn't, then you would trade up for a young QB you want to draft. You get him on rookie deal, and you have him for a decade or more. But I don't favor selling the farm to trade up either, modest trade up fine maybe. Smith. McNabb. RGIII. How many times do we have to make the mistake of retreads or mortgaging the future until the arm-chair Cerratos learn?

[SunnySide]

MD income tax is 5.75%
Watsons contract is 156M
156,000,000*.0575 = $8,970,000 million dollars more he would make in 4 years playing for Miami vs Skins.

Watson playing in Texas has personally seen and enjoyed the no income tax state of Texas and wants to go to Miami, also a no income tax state.

(i think whether you pay tax on a game check is based on where the game was played so I dont think all 156M is subject to no income tax but im not 100% sure -- what happens if a player misses a few away games, he still gets paid anyway under what state's tax law? idk)

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Seahawks, all the florida and texas teams, Vegas raiders, titans to a degree enjoy a big competitive advantage in FA.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

MD income tax is 5.75%

Watsons contract is 156M

156,000,000*.0575 = $8,970,000 million dollars more he would make in 4 years playing for Miami vs Skins.



Watson playing in Texas has personally seen and enjoyed the no income tax state of Texas and wants to go to Miami, also a no income tax state.



(i think whether you pay tax on a game check is based on where the game was played so I dont think all 156M is subject to no income tax but im not 100% sure -- what happens if a player misses a few away games, he still gets paid anyway under what state's tax law? idk)



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Seahawks, all the florida and texas teams, Vegas raiders, titans to a degree enjoy a big competitive advantage in FA.

That makes sense but he has said NY as well which is the opposite end of the tax spectrum. Ultimately, we need a guy (Chase or Terry maybe) to pitch him on Rivera and coming to our team, IF the FO wants to invest what it would take to get him.

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[sdskinsfan2001]

No one wants Landon Collins!!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

No one wants Landon Collins!!

or Apke or any terrible player in our team.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

or Apke or any terrible player in our team.

A 1st and we promise not to force them to take Collins and Apke! They’ll jump at that.