70Chip
12-17-2008, 03:15 AM
No. I think it's an insane idea to believe they'd be willing to sell at that much of a loss and not go out of business. But it's an implication that has to be made in order to credit the aura of Obama for the drop in gas prices.
The price of oil per barrel is hovering around $50 now. It was around $140 this summer. That's the reason: global demand is down 10% because there's no global economic growth.
A 10% drop in demand causes a 65% drop in price? If Opec cuts production 10% ( and were able to enforce it) , will the price go back to $140? I still think there is a lot of speculation involved. Money chases money in both directions and there is no law that says the flow has to necessarily be rational. Especially when people's vision does not extend beyond the next five minutes.
Of course the idea that the oil companies have lowered the price as an homage to Obama is an idea just stupid enough for most Obama supporters to believe.
A 10% drop in demand causes a 65% drop in price? If Opec cuts production 10% ( and were able to enforce it) , will the price go back to $140? I still think there is a lot of speculation involved. Money chases money in both directions and there is no law that says the flow has to necessarily be rational. Especially when people's vision does not extend beyond the next five minutes.
Of course the idea that the oil companies have lowered the price as an homage to Obama is an idea just stupid enough for most Obama supporters to believe.
It was a joke.
dmek25
12-17-2008, 07:47 AM
i like how Obama is getting all the headlines, and hasn't set foot into the white house yet. i guess old W. is the epitome of a " lame" duck
GTripp0012
12-18-2008, 02:49 AM
A 10% drop in demand causes a 65% drop in price? If Opec cuts production 10% ( and were able to enforce it) , will the price go back to $140? I still think there is a lot of speculation involved. Money chases money in both directions and there is no law that says the flow has to necessarily be rational. Especially when people's vision does not extend beyond the next five minutes.
Of course the idea that the oil companies have lowered the price as an homage to Obama is an idea just stupid enough for most Obama supporters to believe.If OPEC cut production 10%, it would probably go past 140. 10% is a ridculously massive amount, and based on the current reliance of economies on cheap oil, it would probably border on inhumane for OPEC to do that for no real good reason.
I think OPEC cut production like 1.5% in November to prevent the industry from being floored, and that meant (I think, I'm not sure on this number, I might have an extra zero) 150 million fewer barrels per day produced.
onlydarksets
12-18-2008, 08:50 AM
If OPEC cut production 10%, it would probably go past 140. 10% is a ridculously massive amount, and based on the current reliance of economies on cheap oil, it would probably border on inhumane for OPEC to do that for no real good reason.
I think OPEC cut production like 1.5% in November to prevent the industry from being floored, and that meant (I think, I'm not sure on this number, I might have an extra zero) 150 million fewer barrels per day produced.
Looks like 2 extra zeros:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/business/worldbusiness/18opec.html
According to the NYT, since September OPEC has made cuts totaling 4.2 million barrels a day (including a 2.2 million barrel/day pledge yesterday), which represents a 12% reduction since September.
firstdown
12-18-2008, 11:29 AM
Looks like 2 extra zeros:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/business/worldbusiness/18opec.html
According to the NYT, since September OPEC has made cuts totaling 4.2 million barrels a day (including a 2.2 million barrel/day pledge yesterday), which represents a 12% reduction since September.
I thought Bush controlled the price of gas and not OPEC?
onlydarksets
12-18-2008, 11:31 AM
I thought Bush controlled the price of gas and not OPEC?
Of course he does - have the OPEC cuts have any effect? Nope.
firstdown
12-18-2008, 12:55 PM
Of course he does - have the OPEC cuts have any effect? Nope.
They will its just takes time for the actual cut backs to start hitting the market. If these don't work they will make even more cuts in production until they do have the intended effect.
jsarno
12-25-2008, 12:46 AM
No intelligent person puts the blame for oil prices all on a president, that is just stupid.
There are things he does that can impact the price, however. hostile actions not in line with OPEC, not researching enough on alternate energies, etc.
That says it all. haha. Bush was the reason for all of lifes problems to many.
dmek25
12-25-2008, 08:21 AM
That says it all. haha. Bush was the reason for all of lifes problems to many.
just like Clinton was before him