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illdefined 10-10-2006, 02:58 PM Do you really want him throwing the ball up for grabs? Because that's what it sounds like you're suggesting. If only beating a D was that easy and only required the QB to 'try' throwing deep.
If it's not there he rarely will force the issue, that's just how he plays the game. If the game comes down to needing Brunell to force throws, then it's really not the kind of game we're likely to win, and it's asking him to be something he's not.
56 min. into a game we're losing? absolutely.
Southpaw 10-10-2006, 03:00 PM It's too easy to play the QB blame game and unfortunately alot of people fall for it.
When the quarterback is the most visibly deficient skill position player on the field, he deserves most of the criticism for being unable to execute and get it to the playmakers. Mark Brunell has an elite running back, a pro bowl wide receiver, a potentially pro bowl tight end, and probably the best #3 receiver in the league at his disposal. That's more than Peyton Manning, Brady, McNabb, and just about every other quarterback in the league could hope to have.
But let's just keep making excuses. It's everyone but Brunell...
But let's just keep making excuses. It's everyone but Brunell...
I've never said that. Brunell did not play well last week... but who did?
If you can tell me with a straight face that Brunell was the only problem last week fine, I guess there's nothing left to talk about.
Chief X_Phackter 10-10-2006, 03:11 PM Matty, a common misconception when people ask for a QB to be pulled is that it's because of the previous game. Brunell has been suspect going on 3 seasons now. He plays well in stretches (last season he played solid for a decent part of the season.) The first year was abysmal, and this year is heading that way without the abiration known as the Jags game.
In 2005 Brunell was 14th in total yards, 13th in passer rating, 9th in total touchdowns, 11th in interceptions thrown
In 2004 Brunell only played nine games so you can't really assess his play fairly being thrown to the wolves in a new offense (for him) in the middle of the season.
Since 1995 he's had a passer rating every year between 82-92.
Everybody complains that all he does is dink and dunk, but if you compare his yards per pass attempt since he's been in the league (6.95) to peyton manning since he's been in the league (7.65), I guess Manning needs to go down the field more often and take chances too.
Let's get off the Brunell bashing...PLEASE!!!
illdefined 10-10-2006, 03:16 PM Since 1995 he's had a passer rating every year between 82-92.
Everybody complains that all he does is dink and dunk, but if you compare his yards per pass attempt since he's been in the league (6.95) to peyton manning since he's been in the league (7.65), I guess Manning needs to go down the field more often and take chances too.
ancient stats don't apply here, and how many of those passing yards here were dinks and dunks turned into big gains by Moss and Cooley?
come on, this is the QB position we're talking about. when a team struggles, it's PART OF THE JOB to try and singlehandedly become the team's savior. it may not be fair to expect it, but its fair to wish for it.
Funny, whenever he plays well as he did against Houston and the Jags, that gets conveniently brushed aside.
and how many of those passing yards here were dinks and dunks turned into big gains by Moss and Cooley?
In that case we should be discrediting Joe Montana and Steve Young. All they did was dink and dunk and let Rice and company do all the work.
Southpaw 10-10-2006, 03:21 PM If you can tell me with a straight face that Brunell was the only problem last week fine, I guess there's nothing left to talk about.
As I've said, last week was a team effort, but Brunell's play is magnified because he's the quarterback. And my feelings towards Brunell is far more than a knee jerk reaction to last week. He's been on the lower side of inconsistent since the end of last season. And the fact that he played well against a stingy Jacksonville defense pisses me off even more, because it almost seems like he can physically get it done, but chooses not to if it's too risky.
724Skinsfan 10-10-2006, 03:27 PM Expect him to play like Trent Dilfer, and expect your defense to play like the 2000 Baltimore Ravens.
What happens when you're defense can't play like the 2000 Ravens? Something has to be done. Both the offense and the defense need to adapt to each other. I definitely don't want Brunell to turn into a chariot-riding, pigskin-slinging offensive maniac but he will have to realize that during a game if the defense is not performing well then the offense will have to re-evaluate their risk tolerance. Sometimes, in few and far between situations, you have to say "F*CK IT! WE'RE SCORING NOW!" Like the Greatest Game Since 1991 last year when he hurled the ball deep to Moss twice in the final 5 minutes. If he hadn't taken the high-risk chance then obviously the game would have been over with happier Cowboy fans.
illdefined 10-10-2006, 03:27 PM If i remember correctly, a lot of people still weren't happy with Brunell's dink/dunking in the Texans win. and the Jacksonville game was also notable because of it's YAC, not its bombs.
it's that one dimension lacking in Brunell's game that is constant and makes it easier for a team like the Giants, with it's terrible secondary, to gameplan for and stop.
using the entire recieving corps, and the WHOLE field, would greatly improve every aspect of this offense.
maybe the root cause for this is Brunell doesn't feel confident in his arm to safely overthrow/lead these routes without big risk of interception.
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