At what point would a skins fan be justified in calling for Gibbs' resignation?

This is what I would said. He is a legend. Our legend. The man has worked his butt off through two stints to win games for us. The first time got it done and I still believe he can get it done this time. I'd expect him to resign before I could ever admit that he needed to go. I can't even fathom what it would take for me to think that he can't make this work. I don't think it is blind optimism but actually faith based on results. What everyone wants to believe is that we won every game we ever played under Gibbs the first time around. Well guess what, we didn't. We had plenty of 9-7/10-6 years and had plenty of big losses. The league is even more competitive now and when he came here I think we can honestly admit that we were on the low side in terms of talent. There have been missteps for sure but I think the biggest misstep he made was allowing everyone to believe we were better than we were. Now he looks bad and everyone is pissed. But what exactly has he done that has hurt this team? Can anyone say this team is worse off now than when he came? I don't if it is but I haven't heard anyone say he has done a bad job. Just that he hasn't done all the right things. To me he has plenty of leash. He earned it.

Good post..We did have those 9-7 & 10-6 yrs under Gibbs v1, however, we were always competitive. How many 6-10 years did we have? How many losses to bad non-division teams such as the current Clevelands, Oaklands, Tennessees etc under Gibbs v1? How many games where the offense has failed to score a TD before garbage time?

I'm perfectly willing to admit the fault isn't with Gibbs. Maybe its his supporting cast of coaches on offense - Breaux, Bugel, Burns, etc. that are over the hill. But Gibbs did bring in his personal entourage. And Brunell. And if Campbell doesn't pan out, Gibbs will also be responsible for erring on that front.

The normal coach should get 3 years, but 3 Super Bowl rings buys you a little extra time.

I agree with Daseal that 3 years should be enough time for a coach to prove he's legit. However, if a coach doesn't do it in three it doesn't mean that he can't. You have to look at the reasons for failure. For example, if a coach can't win in three years, it might be because of excessive injuries--not poor coaching.

That said, I'd like to keep Gibbs until he can't do the job anymore (probably when he's about 70). Gibbs doesn't have to prove ANYTHING. You don't give Gibbs a three year probation period, just to see what he's got. If you don't know what Gibbs can do, then you shouldn't be making the decision about when he should leave. And all that talk about the NFL passing Gibbs by is nonsense. Most people don't realize how difficult it is to win the NFL--even with all the right players and coaches.


We can slice this any way we want, but come training camp '07, the Redskins will be on a 2 year time table. You think the expectations and scrutiny is high now, just wait another 6 months.

If we stink it up again next year, and Belichik were available as a coach, what would you do? What if Andy Reid were available? I guess the question is, which current generation coach (as opposed to old school - Parcells, Marty, etc.) would you take over Gibbs?

that's a good question. I don't think Bellicheck would succeed in Danny's mgmt. style, unless he got full control a la Marty. If I'd take anyone though, I'd take Bellicheck, but I'd honestly rather see Gibbs, a true Redskin, coach our team.
What is another interesting scenario is if Gibbs decided to hire a head coach & simply serve as team president. I know GW is already in line, but it's possible that Gibbs might not actually coach his last 2 years, but still remain w/the team & fulfill his contract.

It is all about the rings on Gibbs hands.

As a result, there is only one person who is in a position to call for Joe Gibbs to resign:

Mrs. Gibbs.

Dan Snyder isn't going to. Some bitter reporters and talk show hosts might, but who cares.

Could you imagine being Dan Snyder in this situation? I mean put aside any hatred you may have for the man (and by you, I mean the general Warpath public, not you specifically RiggoRules). Just think of what it would be like to idolize someone growing up and the next thing you know you're his boss. I couldn't fathom that. Having a "hero" report to me. And then face the possibility of having to make a hard decision like saying he's not getting the job done

I think the time will be right when the coach with a better resume and love for the team presents himself to the owners.

Is there a rumor out there that this mystery coach is seeking the Redskins head coaching position?

The goal is to better the organization, not to make changes because the team's offensive and/or defense is playing poorly.

I think the question isn't "Is Gibbs getting the job done" but rather, "Is the franchise in better shape now than before Gibbs took over?"

The answer would have to be yes. We're better across the board, and in fact the frustration that we all feel is fueled by the fact that we believe that the Skins are better.

A skins fan calling for Gibbs' resignation, its a little early for that. I don't want to get back on the coaching carousel. I agree the lack of an offensive identity is a little puzzling and most certainly frustrating, but I like the stability of having Coach Gibbs back.

ahhh i still have faith in gibbs. who knows how things will turn up? once this O has a year under our belt hopefully we'll be fine. the d on the other will continue to worry me.

Instant gratification? At the beginning of the '07 campaign Gibbs will have two more years left on his contract. So you have to figure, things will have to start cooking real soon for the Redskins.

Yes, instant gratification. We have to have fast food, faster cars, faster internet, faster computers.... it's the nature of how people live in these times...especially with the internet where any and all information is a button click away. The NFL is no different. Free agency can instantly transform some teams from last to first...building a team from ground up is not as popular as it once was, but building it from the ground up the right way - I believe - allows a franchise to be good for years to come.

I'd rather not have a Super Bowl season this year and know that the next ten years would be a repeat of the 90's, and have a team that is a Super Bowl caliber team for the next 10 years.

Honestly guys, how much more success have we had with all the other coaches??? Atleast with Gibbs we went to the playoffs, and the players and the fans believe in something.

This is a stupid thread.