Tom "Iceman" Brady

What? Manning led his team down the field to win the game with a few minutes left. Brady had several chances to end the game and then threw an INT to end it. Better leader?


Yea Brady is without a doubt a better leader then Manning, IMO thats really what has been holding Manning back from winning big. Manning has one good game after the last two he played where he threw what 7 picks? Brady was coaching other players out there and is striving a team to victory. Look what Brady has to work with compared to Manning with his 2 pro bowl recivers and Clark. No comparison.

Yea Brady is without a doubt a better leader then Manning, IMO thats really what has been holding Manning back from winning big. Manning has one good game after the last two he played where he threw what 7 picks? Brady was coaching other players out there and is striving a team to victory. Look what Brady has to work with compared to Manning with his 2 pro bowl recivers and Clark. No comparison.

You can make the argument that Mr. Freeze is a better leader but you would have to exclude yesterday's game from the discussion.

Yea Brady is without a doubt a better leader then Manning, IMO thats really what has been holding Manning back from winning big. Manning has one good game after the last two he played where he threw what 7 picks? Brady was coaching other players out there and is striving a team to victory. Look what Brady has to work with compared to Manning with his 2 pro bowl recivers and Clark. No comparison.
I strongly disagree with this post. Manning is an excellent leader. He's the one who calls the plays, reads the defenses, audibles out of plays at the line of scrimmage, he is CONSTANTLY communicating with his team when he is on the field. Brady has a mastermind coach in Bellichick telling him what to do. And I don't want to take away from Dungee, but Mannning is the one who run's the offense, he gets to make a lot of big decisions that most QBs don't get to make.
Tom Brady is coaching players out there? Of course he's going to have to give brand new receivers some advice, what quarterback wouldn't do that, I mean, they're in a brand new system.
Ok, Manning has two great receivers, but in my opinion, until this year, Brady is the one who's team has been loaded with weapons. Every year they won the superbowl, he's had one of the BEST defenses in the league, why Manning's defenses have been average to below average. Brady's offensive line has always outplayed Manning's in past battles, plus it's not like Brady has had slouches at receiver in the past until this year. Plus, their TE Watson is just as good as Clark is.
Back to the defense again, just think about how the Pat's defenses were loaded with great players: Seymore, Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, McGinnest, and Law. See, once the Pat's dont have those players and the talent level overall is more even, COLTS WIN!
I guess my bottom line is that Tom Brady has been instrumental in winning 3 superbowls, but not anymore instrumental than the Pat's stingy defenses and great coaching. And as proved yesterday and last year in the Bronco's loss in the playoffs, when they don't have Charlie Weiss, Romeo Cornell, Ty Law, McGinnest, Harrison, Branch and Givens, Tom Brady is mortal.

Brady has more poise than Manning. I value that more than anything else. Yes, even more than stats! :doh:

What happened to Chad Jackson, they appearently got a steal when he slid to them in the second round this year, maybe we can trade back with them so they can pick up dwayne jarret

I was wondering the same thing. I don't think he slid to the 2nd round either. He just can't crack the line-up. I know he was playing on teams. I'm sure Jackson will get in the lineup more next year. Perhaps NE will realize they have a great QB and go out and get a WR in free agency. Or, and this is just my opinion, but perhaps NE just doesn't put a lot of value on WR's.

Yea Brady is without a doubt a better leader then Manning, IMO thats really what has been holding Manning back from winning big. Manning has one good game after the last two he played where he threw what 7 picks? Brady was coaching other players out there and is striving a team to victory. Look what Brady has to work with compared to Manning with his 2 pro bowl recivers and Clark. No comparison.
They said last night that the Colts have 7 O players going to the pro Bowl. Both QB's played great last night and both threw a pick but Brady's came when he had no chance to make up for the mistake. This argument can go on for ever because one has the stats and the other has the rings which makes the argument on both sides. I still think Manning has to win a SB to back his stats. There was a reason Manning could not watch that final drive of the game because he knows that Brady has done it before but it was not his day.

Well, well, what do you know? Manning has taken his first step toward making all those big stats actually mean something in this debate. I’ve got to give credit where credit is due- I have stated that I believe pressure adversely affects Manning. Clearly that was not the case yesterday. Even after costing his team seven points, he pulled himself together and engineered the biggest comeback in conference championship game history. He was outstanding. Hu-rah.

Now, he’s one big game, one big win, from filling in that aching hole in his heart and on his resume. The Colts are a pretty solid favorite and, given the way their defense is playing, it would appear this isn’t asking too much. We shall see.

As for Brady, he remains the league’s best big game quarterback- and thus the best quarterback, period. No, he didn’t get it done yesterday. Yes, he failed in the clutch yesterday when attempting to lead his team downfield to a touchdown in the closing seconds. However, it is a tribute to just how accomplished Brady has become in these situations that despite the odds, most folks probably half-expected him to pull another one out anyway. He’s still not yet 30. In six seasons as a starter, he's led his team to three titles and to the brink of a fourth. He’ll be back.

But back to Manning. As great as he was yesterday, he isn’t there yet. One game can’t make up for all of his past failings, or erase Brady’s success in the same situations over the past 6 years. Again, he’s taken a solid step toward proving his supporters right, toward making the case that he, not Brady, is the game’s best QB- I can't deny that and won't attempt to for ego's sake. He can take another step against the Bears, and then this debate will get a lot more interesting.

I was wondering the same thing. I don't think he slid to the 2nd round either. He just can't crack the line-up. I know he was playing on teams. I'm sure Jackson will get in the lineup more next year. Perhaps NE will realize they have a great QB and go out and get a WR in free agency. Or, and this is just my opinion, but perhaps NE just doesn't put a lot of value on WR's.
Chad Jackson is just following in the line of many illustrious Florida Gator WRs drafted in the first two rounds:

Ricky Nattiel, Taylor Jacobs, Ike Hilliard, Jacquez Green, Travis Taylor, Jabar Gaffney, and the "real" Reche Caldwell, who came through with two HUGE drops in last night's championship game. Darrell Jackson (2000, 3rd round) is the only Gator receiver I can recall over the past 20 years who has become a legit #1 receiver in the NFL.

Belichik and Pioli got exactly what they deserved - they didn't pay Deion Branch, and decided that a posse of former Gator receivers could replace him.

I'm pretty sure Chad Jackson really messed up his hamstring and missed the entire preseason as well as the begining of the season because of it. Then he reinjured it and basically it screwed up his whole rookie year. I mean I know he is a Florida receiver, but I think he might be pretty good for them. He had three td's in limited action.

I strongly disagree with this post. Manning is an excellent leader. He's the one who calls the plays, reads the defenses, audibles out of plays at the line of scrimmage, he is CONSTANTLY communicating with his team when he is on the field. Brady has a mastermind coach in Bellichick telling him what to do. And I don't want to take away from Dungee, but Mannning is the one who run's the offense, he gets to make a lot of big decisions that most QBs don't get to make.
Tom Brady is coaching players out there? Of course he's going to have to give brand new receivers some advice, what quarterback wouldn't do that, I mean, they're in a brand new system.
Ok, Manning has two great receivers, but in my opinion, until this year, Brady is the one who's team has been loaded with weapons. Every year they won the superbowl, he's had one of the BEST defenses in the league, why Manning's defenses have been average to below average. Brady's offensive line has always outplayed Manning's in past battles, plus it's not like Brady has had slouches at receiver in the past until this year. Plus, their TE Watson is just as good as Clark is.
Back to the defense again, just think about how the Pat's defenses were loaded with great players: Seymore, Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, McGinnest, and Law. See, once the Pat's dont have those players and the talent level overall is more even, COLTS WIN!
I guess my bottom line is that Tom Brady has been instrumental in winning 3 superbowls, but not anymore instrumental than the Pat's stingy defenses and great coaching. And as proved yesterday and last year in the Bronco's loss in the playoffs, when they don't have Charlie Weiss, Romeo Cornell, Ty Law, McGinnest, Harrison, Branch and Givens, Tom Brady is mortal.Great post.