12thMan
02-13-2007, 03:53 PM
Maybe WE should have ignored them in the 40's and 50's. I still maintain though, that the best solution to all of this is to kick our dependence on oil...so they wouldn't have us by the short hairs anymore
That's a good start, no doubt. But big business is tightly knitted with politics and vice versa, so I honestly don't see that happening in our generation.
It could, but unlikely.
firstdown
02-13-2007, 03:56 PM
What people? And since when were they in Iraq?
He said ignore the middle east.
AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace
02-13-2007, 03:56 PM
That's a good start, no doubt. But big business is tightly knitted with politics and vice versa, so I honestly don't see that happening in our generation.
It could, but unlikely.
This goes back to my other solution. Put term limits on senate and house seats and big business's grasp on politics would loosen considerably...
AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace in 08
dmek25
02-13-2007, 03:58 PM
Middle east he ignored, did we forget about our sailors who were attacked and killed in port, the two embassy buildings bombed, and the first twin towers bombing by terrorist. Then we could mention the time that Bin Laden was offered to Clinton by the Sudaness which he turned down. Thats favorable for Clinton?
bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.
12thMan
02-13-2007, 03:59 PM
This goes back to my other solution. Put term limits on senate and house seats and big business's grasp on politics would loosen considerably...
AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace in 08
hahaha...nice.
dude, who's on your ticket?
12thMan
02-13-2007, 04:05 PM
bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.
It's interesting you say that about Clinton. I think some still see him as a political force.
If Hillary wins, some have suggested Bill would make a good Secretary of State in her cabinet.
I definitely think he would have handled the Iraq situation differently.
AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace
02-13-2007, 04:05 PM
I don't have a running mate...you want in?
AWNB and 12thMan..better Redskins today, A better America tomorrow!!!!
12thMan
02-13-2007, 04:08 PM
I don't have a running mate...you want in?
AWNB and 12thMan..better Redskins today, A better America tomorrow!!!!
I'm starting to like you AWNB...this idea is growing on me.
Oh, and..please, call me 12th. :)
firstdown
02-13-2007, 04:13 PM
That's a good start, no doubt. But big business is tightly knitted with politics and vice versa, so I honestly don't see that happening in our generation.
It could, but unlikely.I think most people would agree with that and I'm not sure that big business has stood in the way as one said. I think the problem is that we have purchased gas so cheap for so long there was no demand or alternative fuels at a higher cost. The cars are more expensive and the fuel is more expensive which one is the consumer going to buy?
firstdown
02-13-2007, 04:21 PM
bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.How is the offering of Bin Ladin hine site he was a known leader of the terrorist world who said he would kill us?