Smurf85
03-22-2007, 12:36 AM
What if Oakland gets David Carr and then decides to draft CJ? Who would the Lions get with the 8th pick? Brady Quinn likely wouldn't be there. JaMarcus Russell wouldn't be there and neither would Joe Thomas or Adrian Peterson. It's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out- and affects the Skins...
What has Carr done in the NFL.Nothing so why would Oakland want him as there #1.I also live about a hour away from Detroit and there are rumors that the Lions want one of the defensive players in the draft.Lets face it the Lions need help at almost every position.So they could fill one of there holes at 8.By the way there is the possibility that Peterson will be there.
12thMan
03-22-2007, 12:37 AM
Well, now the Falcons sit at 8. Okoye played for Petrino at Louisville, so I'm betting that we're going to have to stay ahead of them to get him.
I think you're right, especially considering that Kearny left via FA.
Crat92
03-22-2007, 12:40 AM
Would be a GREAT choice for them. I wonder if they'll try to trade down and grab CJ.
Now you already know!
12thMan
03-22-2007, 12:41 AM
Unfortunately that's the type of mentality our front office has of picking for need as if we're one player away. Take the best player available, especially if he is as can't miss as Johnson. No way anyone can think that he wouldn't be an upgrade over Lloyd and Thrash.. Moss is set at #1 and Randle-El is a strong #3, if Johnson falls we'd be FOOLS not to pick him.
These are my thoughts exactly. We aren't one player away, which in my reasoning, if Johnson is there we take him. Period.
CJ is a bigger upgrade as his respective position than any of the available defensive lineman are at theirs.
Jamaican'Skin
03-22-2007, 12:49 AM
What has Carr done in the NFL.Nothing so why would Oakland want him as there #1.I also live about a hour away from Detroit and there are rumors that the Lions want one of the defensive players in the draft.Lets face it the Lions need help at almost every position.So they could fill one of there holes at 8.By the way there is the possibility that Peterson will be there.
There's not a lot that any QB can do from lying on his back 10- 20 times per game. You could be Peyton Manning, but if you don't have a good O Line to protect you, then you'll look crappy. I think Carr has great potential, he's just in a sticky situation. A change of scenery would probably do him well.
PS. Aaron Brooks hasn't really done anything in the NFL and Oakland wanted him last season. Just saying
artmonkforhallofamein07
03-22-2007, 01:44 AM
The Houston Texans made a bad move here. I'm sorry but David Carr is a good QB and should have been given a decent Oline and a RB before they moved on from him. I don't think they have upgraded the QB position at all and have traded away to much to get Schaub. An unproven winner in this league. I'm sorry but weren't the Falcons like 4-11 when Vick went down with injury a few years back. Wasn't it Matt Schaub the QB when Patrick Ramsey made a great comeback against the falcons when we were down like 3 touchdowns at one point.
Nice to see someone else making bad trades other than us this year. I mean come on 2 2nd round picks and a move up two spots in the first round for a guy who has done nothing. People are hyped up on this guy and they have been for awhile. Big mistake.
Good Job Texans.
Smurf85
03-22-2007, 02:02 AM
There's not a lot that any QB can do from lying on his back 10- 20 times per game. You could be Peyton Manning, but if you don't have a good O Line to protect you, then you'll look crappy. I think Carr has great potential, he's just in a sticky situation. A change of scenery would probably do him well.
PS. Aaron Brooks hasn't really done anything in the NFL and Oakland wanted him last season. Just saying
I would much rather take a chance on a rookie QB.You can say Carr has had a hard time in Houston.Point still is he hasn't been what everyone thought he was going to be.I would put money on the Raiders getting Russel.
Skins_4_Lyfe
03-22-2007, 02:34 AM
So, there is a Front Office worse then our's. First Mario Williams, now you give up way too much (a 1st and two 2nd rounders) only to downgrade the QB position.
I'm sorry but I am not convinced that Schaub is better than Carr...how about using those draft picks to trade for an offensive line.
Beemnseven
03-22-2007, 07:55 AM
The comments regarding the Texans' offensive line are spot-on. Shaub will be come "One with the Turf" if they don't get that front five fixed.
skinsfan69
03-22-2007, 08:19 AM
Well, there are a lot of differences between Rob Johnson and Matt Schaub. I don't think that was a good comparison.
Schaub completed 67% of his passes in 32 starts at Virginia. That's very good. However, he wasn't espicially highly sought after coming out of college.
We can either say:
1. The scouts were wrong. They simply overlooked this guy.
OR
2. Schaub's stats are a product of his college system.
I'd put my money on the former. Al Groh hasn't exactly pumped out QBs since Schaub left.
Schaub can be very good, and I'm almost certain he will represent an improvement over Carr. But he's NOT a sure thing because of his draft position. He's got a lot of stuff to prove to the scouts who didn't give him a top two round grade.
Rob Johnson, on the other hand, was a talentless QB. Everyone knew that but Wade Phillips.
I don't care about his college stats. Look at his professional stats. He is below 50%. I think one game when he filled in for Vick he was 17-42. Guy played terrible. I understand he does have some upside but two 2nd rounders and a 1st round swap? That's way too high. Plus what have the Texans done to upgrade the o-line? Texans have NO CLUE what they are doing overpaying for an unproven QB.