Pastabelly bashes J. Gibbs

Yes, every year we have injury problems, and the next year everything is grand. Sorry. Until I actually see something I'm not buying it. As I said, replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion.

I hope you're referring to me not being a skins fan. Keep drinking the kool-aid buddy. I'm watching every game, go to as many as I can afford, and follow the skins religiously. Just because I try to do my best to see the skins for what they are, it doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm glad what we did in '05, however, as I mentioned before we rode our defense all the way, and Portis on the offensive side of the ball.

Say what you want. Winner winner winner. Over the last three year Gibbs has lost.

As far as this team having talent, what are you smoking? This team is loaded with talent. Certainly we don't have a ton of depth, and besides D line, I can't think of huge positions of need.Cynical does not necessarily equal objective though.

I've noticed that in a lot of your posts, you tend to use phases along the lines of, "not buying it until I actually see something". I've been wondering for awhile now...what exactly is it that you are waiting to "see". Obviously, a dominant month of December resulting in a 10-6 overall record against the 2nd toughest schedule in the NFL didn't show you enough. What are you waiting to see from this organization and this coaching staff?

Over the last three years Gibbs has lost? Well, outside of being a blatently incorrect statement, I'm not sure what you are saying here. The Redskins record over the last three years has produced more losses than wins over a three year period...so Gibbs is incapable of winning? I think you are really grasping for straws here.

I don't understand why people waste time saying stuff like, "replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion". Well, yeah, obviously. The thing about that is his name is Gibbs, he's probably not changing it anytime soon. The name comes with a proven successful track record. Earned, not handed to him. "What if it wasn't Gibbs" is an irrelivant argument, in part due to the fact that, well, it is Gibbs.

Having talent doesn't mean a whole lot when most teams you play have more than you.

Cynical does not necessarily equal objective though.

I've noticed that in a lot of your posts, you tend to use phases along the lines of, "not buying it until I actually see something". I've been wondering for awhile now...what exactly is it that you are waiting to "see". Obviously, a dominant month of December resulting in a 10-6 overall record against the 2nd toughest schedule in the NFL didn't show you enough. What are you waiting to see from this organization and this coaching staff?

Over the last three years Gibbs has lost? Well, outside of being a blatently incorrect statement, I'm not sure what you are saying here. The Redskins record over the last three years has produced more losses than wins over a three year period...so Gibbs is incapable of winning? I think you are really grasping for straws here.

I don't understand why people waste time saying stuff like, "replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion". Well, yeah, obviously. The thing about that is his name is Gibbs, he's probably not changing it anytime soon. The name comes with a proven successful track record. Earned, not handed to him. "What if it wasn't Gibbs" is an irrelivant argument, in part due to the fact that, well, it is Gibbs.

Having talent doesn't mean a whole lot when most teams you play have more than you.

Gibbs is the best coach this team has had since, um, Gibbs. Pettibone, Turner, Schottenheimer, and Spurrier couldn't hold a candle to this guy. I think our young friend is hoping that we get someone like a Sean Payton or Eric Mangini. What he doesn't realize, however, is that those guys have only been with their respective team's just one season. Let's just see how those guys handle the tough times, and if they can continue being successful in the fickle NFL. Gibbs has proven what he can do in the long run, and it's a pretty sterling record! Remember the phrase, "it's not a sprint, it's a marathon."

P.S. I know what some of you will say, "Well Gibbs isn't here for the long run!" What I'm saying is the man know's how to handle adversity.

I agree with both you folks nc & gtrip.

This thread is like pissing in the wind. If anyone doesn't know enough about Joe Gibbs, PAST & PRESENT, and the knowledge and know how to turn around an organization that he has. They are clueless.

Stick with the one of the Greatest coachs to ever coach this game, he will prove these na sayers 100% wrong, very quietly. You can NEVER underestimate Joe, soon as you do he will make you look like a FOOL!

Not a Pastabelly or SI fan at all, but I don't think Gibbs is going to right the ship to the point of another glorious era like 1982-1992. Fact of the matter is the FO screwed up too badly during Spurrier, then on top of that Gibbs and the FO messed it up more. We wasted 2 potential playoff seasons by Gibbs keeping Brunell in for far too long when Mark stunk up the place something terrible. In '04 he put Patrick in a few games too late, when a couple more victories could have meant playoffs, same thing with JC last season. The moves via Free Agency have been a mixed bag at best, but overall a big waste in $$$$$$$. Archuleta, Patten, the FA D linemen we have, etc are total busts. Brunell is the biggest bust of all, costing us what should have been the aforementioned 2 playoff seasons, when on paper we were a powerhouse that should have annihilated the other teams in our division(especially Dallas). Now Lloyd looks to be a future bust unless he gets it going this season, and Portis is going to be a 50+ million dollar part time player with Betts getting about half the carries probably. Don't get me going on the draft. Only decent draft we have had IMHO during Gibbs II was when we traded up for the first 2 rounders in JC and Rogers. THe other drafts made us look like we didn't have a clue or any concrete plan to utilize it to build a team.

Oh, Joe Gibbs is trying to fix the salary cap mess? I didn't realize that with all of the high priced free agents he's gone after (minus this year). Snyder made mistakes far before Gibbs came back, everything points to him having very little say in the overall player acquisition process. The people who bring in these players are Gibbs and to a lesser extent G Will. Gibbs has been in "win now" mode since he got here (notice lack of any draft picks, trading up every year, etc). Yes, we made the playoffs one year, riding the coat tails of an awesome G Williams defense. I think it's hard to mark that up to Gibbs pathetic offense.

I've given Gibbs three years and I'm not impressed. I'll give him one more reluctantly, but people need to stop living in the glory years and look at Gibbs stint for what it is now. Erase his name and type in Joe Blow everyone here would be calling for his head because of the multiple bad decisions and basic lack of winning.

just cuz you weren't around or were too young to remember his first tenure here does not mean he wont pull it off.. Grow up! Joe Gibbs will never be erased.. THANK YOU

Not a Pastabelly or SI fan at all, but I don't think Gibbs is going to right the ship to the point of another glorious era like 1982-1992. Fact of the matter is the FO screwed up too badly during Spurrier, then on top of that Gibbs and the FO messed it up more. We wasted 2 potential playoff seasons by Gibbs keeping Brunell in for far too long when Mark stunk up the place something terrible. In '04 he put Patrick in a few games too late, when a couple more victories could have meant playoffs, same thing with JC last season. The moves via Free Agency have been a mixed bag at best, but overall a big waste in $$$$$$$. Archuleta, Patten, the FA D linemen we have, etc are total busts. Brunell is the biggest bust of all, costing us what should have been the aforementioned 2 playoff seasons, when on paper we were a powerhouse that should have annihilated the other teams in our division(especially Dallas). Now Lloyd looks to be a future bust unless he gets it going this season, and Portis is going to be a 50+ million dollar part time player with Betts getting about half the carries probably. Don't get me going on the draft. Only decent draft we have had IMHO during Gibbs II was when we traded up for the first 2 rounders in JC and Rogers. THe other drafts made us look like we didn't have a clue or any concrete plan to utilize it to build a team.

With a screen name like Gus Frerotte, we have to MUTE you!
Just remember teams don't play on paper, paper doesn't mean jack. Brunell did lead the offense in 05 to the playoffs, and yea Joe Gibbs was also the Coach then to. You left alot of important info out of your book?
Get off the bus GUS.

GIBBS RULES!

Yes, every year we have injury problems, and the next year everything is grand. Sorry. Until I actually see something I'm not buying it. As I said, replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion.

I hope you're referring to me not being a skins fan. Keep drinking the kool-aid buddy. I'm watching every game, go to as many as I can afford, and follow the skins religiously. Just because I try to do my best to see the skins for what they are, it doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm glad what we did in '05, however, as I mentioned before we rode our defense all the way, and Portis on the offensive side of the ball.

Say what you want. Winner winner winner. Over the last three year Gibbs has lost.


As far as this team having talent, what are you smoking? This team is loaded with talent. Certainly we don't have a ton of depth, and besides D line, I can't think of huge positions of need.

well isnt that what happens when you have injuries and your DEPTH has to come in and play which it didnt.
Name a coach that hasnt lost in the last 3 seasons, you cant can you?

Yes, every year we have injury problems, and the next year everything is grand. Sorry. Until I actually see something I'm not buying it. As I said, replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion.

I hope you're referring to me not being a skins fan. Keep drinking the kool-aid buddy. I'm watching every game, go to as many as I can afford, and follow the skins religiously. Just because I try to do my best to see the skins for what they are, it doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm glad what we did in '05, however, as I mentioned before we rode our defense all the way, and Portis on the offensive side of the ball.

Say what you want. Winner winner winner. Over the last three year Gibbs has lost.

As far as this team having talent, what are you smoking? This team is loaded with talent. Certainly we don't have a ton of depth, and besides D line, I can't think of huge positions of need.

Randy Moss has talent...what's your point? The point is, every player in this league apparently has the talent to play in the pros, but it comes down to the right coaches bringing them along the right way. Nobody saw last year's let down coming, neither did you. Maybe you had hoped for such in order to say to us older fans, "I told you so," but sorry, we know better. Gibbs is a far better organizer of a franchise than Spurrier or any other coach we have had. It is not going to happen over night, and if it did..then we'd really have to wonder what was up with the other coaches we had in between the two Gibbs' eras. Apparently, they were far worse at coaching than what we had given them credit for. And as far as loaded with talent, it's a bit contradictory to say we're loaded with talent, but lack depth. That doesn't make any sense?? How can we be loaded with talent but lack depth?

The truth is, Gibbs still has it and will prove it this year. If he doesn't make a believer out of you, then fine. But, the game of football, albeit a change in rules here and there, is still played the same way it was in his first tenure. Gibbs still has the tools, you just have to learn patience.

Here’s a write up as to why I don’t trust Gibbs, in the current arangement to turn the skins back into a winner. First of all, let me say I think this is his last year regardless. If he does poorly I think he’s done in the NFL, and if he does well I think he’ll hand over the reigns and it will look as if he righted the franchise, only time would tell if that’s the case. Every year I hear how the Redskins will either a) Go to the playoffs; b) go far in the playoffs; c) Win the Superbowl. Every year I’m skeptical, every year, except this one I buy in. Last year I thought we’d get a wildcard spot in the playoffs and maybe win one game. I was just as far off as most other people, but I refuse to buy the hype anymore.

I think Joe Gibbs has a few major problems as a coach in this era. I feel he hasn’t yet adjusted, and at this point I’m not sure if he will. It doesn’t all have to do with coaching, but I will explain all of my points below.
1) Joe Gibbs lacks the killer instinct. He fails miserably in finishing teams. How many times have we had a lead, run it three times up the middle, punted, and lost the game? The answer is far too many. I’m not saying go balls to the wall in that situation. High percentage passes, mix up the runs, attempt to get the first down. If we don’t give them the ball back, they don’t have a chance. Often times by that point our defense is exhausted from being on the field the whole time.
2) Joe Gibbs in the front office. This doesn’t just go on Joe Gibbs, I don’t feel any coach should have these responsibilities. While some coaches pull it off (such as Andy Reid) the vast majority of coaches can’t. I simply think being a head coach is enough work without having to worry about overseeing scouting, player acquisition, etc. This isn’t to say the coaches shouldn’t be involved in some sense, but most of the work should go to a GM or whatever system the FO sets up.
3) Too willing to give away draft picks like candy. We’re constantly trading up and acting like draft picks are worth nothing. While I think you can often get a very solid veteran for a reasonable draft pick and often it’s a good deal, I’m much more concerned with the fact that we’re constantly trading up in the draft. For instance, do we really feel that trading up for Rocky was worth it? Unless we felt he was a real impact player, then we should have held fast. Even worse than that is how we seem to always give up more than we have to when it comes to trading.

As far as what I think of Gibbs proving something to me. That means consistency from year to year. I’d like to see us build on success from a previous year. We went from a solid regular season finish in 2005, but we came into 2006 flat and never got it together. I put this on Joe Gibbs. I find many of his decisions questionable both in games and when it comes to other facets of the game.

Yes, keep harping on my age. You can be 85 years old and still not know anything about football. I’ve never claimed myself an expert, and I often have strong opinions that people don’t agree with. However, I’m also right more often than I am wrong. I feel that the only thing I remember from Gibbs’ first stint is how much candy 200 bucks buys from winning the pool for vs the Bills is an asset. I’m not blinded by what he did in the past. I’m taking nothing away from what Gibbs did back in his hay day, but it’s a new era and you can’t take a man who has been out of the league for 11 years and act like his resume just continues without a hiccup.

Trust me, I hope more than anyone else that I’m wrong. But I don’t feel Gibbs relates to athletes anymore. He seems like the senile old grandfather when they go into the locker room and show footage. I’m worried he doesn’t connect with the players, and I feel he doesn’t use players correctly. If Gibbs has a great season next year, feel free to bring this thread back up and I’ll eat crow. However, I don’t expect that to be the case.

Name a coach that hasnt lost in the last 3 seasons, you cant can you?
Actually, I can name eight. Dungy, Belichick, Schottenheimer, Shanahan, Holmgren, Lewis, Cowher, and Del Rio (Bengals, Steelers, and the Jags all had at least 1 8-8 season, but that’s not losing). That’s a quarter of the league. Surprised?

Randy Moss has talent...what's your point? The point is, every player in this league apparently has the talent to play in the pros, but it comes down to the right coaches bringing them along the right way.
Uh, thanks? This is exactly what I'm saying. Why isn't Gibbs able to bring these guys around and develop the talent we have?

The truth is, Gibbs still has it and will prove it this year. If he doesn't make a believer out of you, then fine. But, the game of football, albeit a change in rules here and there, is still played the same way it was in his first tenure. Gibbs still has the tools, you just have to learn patience.
The game has changed significantly since Gibbs left and he's so much as admitted it. I think three full years is patient. How many coaches get three years to go about their business with a losing record not having to worry about thier job? Not many. Three years is the typical grace period for coaches now days. He's getting a fourth with open arms, but I feel if he doesn't do it, he's in deep trouble.

I know everyone here is biased, but I guarantee you a majority of the football community agrees with me more than you.