GTripp0012
04-01-2007, 01:20 AM
Here’s a write up as to why I don’t trust Gibbs, in the current arangement to turn the skins back into a winner. First of all, let me say I think this is his last year regardless. If he does poorly I think he’s done in the NFL, and if he does well I think he’ll hand over the reigns and it will look as if he righted the franchise, only time would tell if that’s the case. Every year I hear how the Redskins will either a) Go to the playoffs; b) go far in the playoffs; c) Win the Superbowl. Every year I’m skeptical, every year, except this one I buy in. Last year I thought we’d get a wildcard spot in the playoffs and maybe win one game. I was just as far off as most other people, but I refuse to buy the hype anymore.
I think Joe Gibbs has a few major problems as a coach in this era. I feel he hasn’t yet adjusted, and at this point I’m not sure if he will. It doesn’t all have to do with coaching, but I will explain all of my points below.
1) Joe Gibbs lacks the killer instinct. He fails miserably in finishing teams. How many times have we had a lead, run it three times up the middle, punted, and lost the game? The answer is far too many. I’m not saying go balls to the wall in that situation. High percentage passes, mix up the runs, attempt to get the first down. If we don’t give them the ball back, they don’t have a chance. Often times by that point our defense is exhausted from being on the field the whole time.
2) Joe Gibbs in the front office. This doesn’t just go on Joe Gibbs, I don’t feel any coach should have these responsibilities. While some coaches pull it off (such as Andy Reid) the vast majority of coaches can’t. I simply think being a head coach is enough work without having to worry about overseeing scouting, player acquisition, etc. This isn’t to say the coaches shouldn’t be involved in some sense, but most of the work should go to a GM or whatever system the FO sets up.
3) Too willing to give away draft picks like candy. We’re constantly trading up and acting like draft picks are worth nothing. While I think you can often get a very solid veteran for a reasonable draft pick and often it’s a good deal, I’m much more concerned with the fact that we’re constantly trading up in the draft. For instance, do we really feel that trading up for Rocky was worth it? Unless we felt he was a real impact player, then we should have held fast. Even worse than that is how we seem to always give up more than we have to when it comes to trading.
As far as what I think of Gibbs proving something to me. That means consistency from year to year. I’d like to see us build on success from a previous year. We went from a solid regular season finish in 2005, but we came into 2006 flat and never got it together. I put this on Joe Gibbs. I find many of his decisions questionable both in games and when it comes to other facets of the game.
Yes, keep harping on my age. You can be 85 years old and still not know anything about football. I’ve never claimed myself an expert, and I often have strong opinions that people don’t agree with. However, I’m also right more often than I am wrong. I feel that the only thing I remember from Gibbs’ first stint is how much candy 200 bucks buys from winning the pool for vs the Bills is an asset. I’m not blinded by what he did in the past. I’m taking nothing away from what Gibbs did back in his hay day, but it’s a new era and you can’t take a man who has been out of the league for 11 years and act like his resume just continues without a hiccup.
Trust me, I hope more than anyone else that I’m wrong. But I don’t feel Gibbs relates to athletes anymore. He seems like the senile old grandfather when they go into the locker room and show footage. I’m worried he doesn’t connect with the players, and I feel he doesn’t use players correctly. If Gibbs has a great season next year, feel free to bring this thread back up and I’ll eat crow. However, I don’t expect that to be the case.I don't know who keeps hyping us to be a great team year in and year out. Before last season, we certainly earned it. We were as good a superbowl pick as any other team. A lot of things broke against us defensively, mainly that age caught up with us in the front 7 seemingly all at the same time. This was certainly a concern going into the season, but it was incredibly unfortuante that so many key players for us hit the wall last year. If that had happened to any other team in the league, they too would have lost at least 10 games. It would be very short sighted to pin that one on Gibbs.
Prior to last season, I can't remember the last time we had any hype. Hype generated from fan sites such as The Warpath doesn't count.
I can't in good conscience agree that Gibbs lacks a killer instict. You can't make an acusation like that without honestly believing that winning is not as important to Gibbs as it is to the opposing coach. The guy didn't come back so he could not do everything in his power to win ballgames. I think you are taking evidences, such as the Falcons game last year, and interpreting their meanings when it isn't necessary. Look, we had a crappy defense. We got stops on the first two drives in that game and consequently we got a 14-0 lead. But it's not really Gibbs' fault that Campbell couldn't hold up his end of the bargin to keep drives alive in that game and it CERTAINLY isn't Gibbs fault that the worse than replacement passer, Michael Vick, went up and down the field on us with ease. That's not lacking a killer instinct. That's the defense giving up an early lead because they suck.
Your other two reasons are administrative Gibbs reasons. And honestly, you really have to keep seperate Gibbs the talent evaluator and Gibbs the head coach. After all, Gibbs was essentially learning the nuiances of talent eval on the run. He is showing signs of improvement, but that doesn't make up for the critical errors he and his staff made. It wasn't to be unexpected. He's a football coach. He's going to be a fine general manager due to some lessons learned, but he wasn't his first 3 years here. No amount of administrative mistakes should affect the legacy of Gibbs the coach. Respect the individuality of these two seperate entities. Gibbs has proven himself successful at one, and proven himself inexperienced at the other.
I can fully understand your desire for consistent winning. That's just something that's very hard to do. A football game is only 60 mins long. Luck won't necessarily even out over that short time. This makes it hard for even the best coaches to put together a consistent winner. Too much can go wrong that is completely out of the coach's control. Especially in a year where Gibbs relinquished his playcalling duties, it seems really hard to pin the losing season on him as you are doing.
Maybe theres a chance Gibbs isn't using his players correctly. Tell us a few things that you would do differently if you were the coach of the Redskins.
I think Joe Gibbs has a few major problems as a coach in this era. I feel he hasn’t yet adjusted, and at this point I’m not sure if he will. It doesn’t all have to do with coaching, but I will explain all of my points below.
1) Joe Gibbs lacks the killer instinct. He fails miserably in finishing teams. How many times have we had a lead, run it three times up the middle, punted, and lost the game? The answer is far too many. I’m not saying go balls to the wall in that situation. High percentage passes, mix up the runs, attempt to get the first down. If we don’t give them the ball back, they don’t have a chance. Often times by that point our defense is exhausted from being on the field the whole time.
2) Joe Gibbs in the front office. This doesn’t just go on Joe Gibbs, I don’t feel any coach should have these responsibilities. While some coaches pull it off (such as Andy Reid) the vast majority of coaches can’t. I simply think being a head coach is enough work without having to worry about overseeing scouting, player acquisition, etc. This isn’t to say the coaches shouldn’t be involved in some sense, but most of the work should go to a GM or whatever system the FO sets up.
3) Too willing to give away draft picks like candy. We’re constantly trading up and acting like draft picks are worth nothing. While I think you can often get a very solid veteran for a reasonable draft pick and often it’s a good deal, I’m much more concerned with the fact that we’re constantly trading up in the draft. For instance, do we really feel that trading up for Rocky was worth it? Unless we felt he was a real impact player, then we should have held fast. Even worse than that is how we seem to always give up more than we have to when it comes to trading.
As far as what I think of Gibbs proving something to me. That means consistency from year to year. I’d like to see us build on success from a previous year. We went from a solid regular season finish in 2005, but we came into 2006 flat and never got it together. I put this on Joe Gibbs. I find many of his decisions questionable both in games and when it comes to other facets of the game.
Yes, keep harping on my age. You can be 85 years old and still not know anything about football. I’ve never claimed myself an expert, and I often have strong opinions that people don’t agree with. However, I’m also right more often than I am wrong. I feel that the only thing I remember from Gibbs’ first stint is how much candy 200 bucks buys from winning the pool for vs the Bills is an asset. I’m not blinded by what he did in the past. I’m taking nothing away from what Gibbs did back in his hay day, but it’s a new era and you can’t take a man who has been out of the league for 11 years and act like his resume just continues without a hiccup.
Trust me, I hope more than anyone else that I’m wrong. But I don’t feel Gibbs relates to athletes anymore. He seems like the senile old grandfather when they go into the locker room and show footage. I’m worried he doesn’t connect with the players, and I feel he doesn’t use players correctly. If Gibbs has a great season next year, feel free to bring this thread back up and I’ll eat crow. However, I don’t expect that to be the case.I don't know who keeps hyping us to be a great team year in and year out. Before last season, we certainly earned it. We were as good a superbowl pick as any other team. A lot of things broke against us defensively, mainly that age caught up with us in the front 7 seemingly all at the same time. This was certainly a concern going into the season, but it was incredibly unfortuante that so many key players for us hit the wall last year. If that had happened to any other team in the league, they too would have lost at least 10 games. It would be very short sighted to pin that one on Gibbs.
Prior to last season, I can't remember the last time we had any hype. Hype generated from fan sites such as The Warpath doesn't count.
I can't in good conscience agree that Gibbs lacks a killer instict. You can't make an acusation like that without honestly believing that winning is not as important to Gibbs as it is to the opposing coach. The guy didn't come back so he could not do everything in his power to win ballgames. I think you are taking evidences, such as the Falcons game last year, and interpreting their meanings when it isn't necessary. Look, we had a crappy defense. We got stops on the first two drives in that game and consequently we got a 14-0 lead. But it's not really Gibbs' fault that Campbell couldn't hold up his end of the bargin to keep drives alive in that game and it CERTAINLY isn't Gibbs fault that the worse than replacement passer, Michael Vick, went up and down the field on us with ease. That's not lacking a killer instinct. That's the defense giving up an early lead because they suck.
Your other two reasons are administrative Gibbs reasons. And honestly, you really have to keep seperate Gibbs the talent evaluator and Gibbs the head coach. After all, Gibbs was essentially learning the nuiances of talent eval on the run. He is showing signs of improvement, but that doesn't make up for the critical errors he and his staff made. It wasn't to be unexpected. He's a football coach. He's going to be a fine general manager due to some lessons learned, but he wasn't his first 3 years here. No amount of administrative mistakes should affect the legacy of Gibbs the coach. Respect the individuality of these two seperate entities. Gibbs has proven himself successful at one, and proven himself inexperienced at the other.
I can fully understand your desire for consistent winning. That's just something that's very hard to do. A football game is only 60 mins long. Luck won't necessarily even out over that short time. This makes it hard for even the best coaches to put together a consistent winner. Too much can go wrong that is completely out of the coach's control. Especially in a year where Gibbs relinquished his playcalling duties, it seems really hard to pin the losing season on him as you are doing.
Maybe theres a chance Gibbs isn't using his players correctly. Tell us a few things that you would do differently if you were the coach of the Redskins.