Disgusted with Bonds?

I personally do not know of a "clean" way out of this. However, I would not allow bonds to achieve the honor until an investigation in the steroid is blah, blah, doubletalk, blah, complete.
You just.........can't. In spite of what's easy, convenient, somtimes you MUST do the hard thing. The RIGHT thing. Stand up and be counted MLB. In the long run, I think more good than bad will come out of where the the fans are concerned.
Nuremberg trials for MLB? If not they can drown in their own vomit.

Agreed 1000%.

Hog1, you are WAY oversimplifying. I mean if you don't care at all about being fair and evenhanded, then yeah I guess you can strip Barry Bonds of all his records and achievements. Of course then you'd be telling baseball players that it's OK if you use steroids to:

- Falsely boost your production to make a lot more money
- Help your team win by using banned substances
- Rack up stats that could get you into the HOF
- And this is all OK as long as you don't break Hank Aaron's record

It makes no sense. You take one guy down, you have to take them all down.

Now if we get PROOF that Bonds cheated, rather than just supposition, then yeah, Baseball has every right to take Bonds out of the record books. But right now the best we have is supposition (albeit strong supposition, but it's supposition nonetheless) by some reporters that Barry took steroids from his trainer. If you're going to go after someone just because you suspect them, don't you have to go after a lot of other guys that are suspect? Starts to sound a lot like the Salem Witch Hunt, going after people because you are suspicious.

If he's guilty, Bonds has to go down. If he's guilty-no record. If Mcguire, and the rest get caught in the investigation, so be it.
Does anybody think MLB has any integrity left? I would gain renewed respect them for them if they pursued it. I don't think I would be in the minority.
If they have to have their own inquisition, let's get started.

By the way:

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If no one can prove Bonds took roids then there is nothing that can be done. Its that simple

I'm not disgusted with Barry Bonds, no the's his body his choice. Was he wrong ? YES. I actually like to watch the guy hit. I remember when he was going for McQuire's single season record and his eye for pitches amazed me. Steroids or not the guy is a damn fine ball player. Baseball has always been a sport of cheats to me, just my opinion. Now I'm not condoning what the man did because it was wrong but what honestly put me on Bonds' side was that when McGuire and Sosa saved the game of baseball along with Cal Ripken and his Iron Man streak thing no one thought about asking about roids. As soon as Bonds got close to the holiest of holy's in Ruth's record people got scared because the numbers that make baseball what it is were being threatened. I kept hearing about how Ruth did it the right way at a time when you had teams payed off to throw the WORLD EFFIN SERIES ! I'm not saying there's a guarantee that Ruth cheated it's just that Bonds meant nothing until he got close to Ruth. THEN everone got conciences and wanted to clean things up. Conseco comes out with a book and there you have it.

Baseball did it to themselves, Chicks dig the long ball right ? I can't wait for Bonds to break the record, I'll be cheering right along with alot of the fans in San Fran because everywhere else it wouldn't be the "right" thing to do. If Hank isn't there, so what. Does he need him there?

I'm not disgusted with Barry Bonds, no the's his body his choice. Was he wrong ? YES. I actually like to watch the guy hit. I remember when he was going for McQuire's single season record and his eye for pitches amazed me. Steroids or not the guy is a damn fine ball player. Baseball has always been a sport of cheats to me, just my opinion. Now I'm not condoning what the man did because it was wrong but what honestly put me on Bonds' side was that when McGuire and Sosa saved the game of baseball along with Cal Ripken and his Iron Man streak thing no one thought about asking about roids. As soon as Bonds got close to the holiest of holy's in Ruth's record people got scared because the numbers that make baseball what it is were being threatened. I kept hearing about how Ruth did it the right way at a time when you had teams payed off to throw the WORLD EFFIN SERIES ! I'm not saying there's a guarantee that Ruth cheated it's just that Bonds meant nothing until he got close to Ruth. THEN everone got conciences and wanted to clean things up. Conseco comes out with a book and there you have it.

Baseball did it to themselves, Chicks dig the long ball right ? I can't wait for Bonds to break the record, I'll be cheering right along with alot of the fans in San Fran because everywhere else it wouldn't be the "right" thing to do. If Hank isn't there, so what. Does he need him there?

Good post. The real shame, as you point out, is that Bonds never even needed to do this. He was one of the greatest players ever long before this record. And he's not the first "bad guy" in baseball, not by a long shot

Is that what you teach your kids? or will? It's NOT ok to cheat except?

If you're not cheating, you're not trying ;)

I guess I didn't realize that baseball had any integrity left to lose.

I guess I didn't realize that baseball had any integrity left to lose.

You may have it SGG.

Good post. The real shame, as you point out, is that Bonds never even needed to do this. He was one of the greatest players ever long before this record. And he's not the first "bad guy" in baseball, not by a long shot

I think a lot of players use the roids to help rehab from injuries. Assuming he's on the roids, he's probably reaping the benefits right now more than any other time, because they're probably helping keep him in good enough condition to withstand injury and keep him in decent enough shape at age 42.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying ;)

I'm out!