Are the Redskins Below Average?

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TenandSix:Unacceptable
05-18-2007, 10:56 PM
But even top 16 wouldn't be half in many cases. Take CB for example. Each team starts 2, so half would be 32 (not 16)

He has CB1 and CB2.

That list shows us to have top half talent at half the positions on the team. Which sounds pretty average. With 6 of those ten in the top ten, which seems like a decent sign to me, I guess.

But let's not forget:

K: Suisham- no
P: Frost- no (?)
WR3 harder to tell
WR4 no
KR: yes
PR: yes

Our depth is where we start to lose serious ground IMO. Where other teams insert third and fourth rounders when starters go down, we turn to Holdmans, Poseys, Foxes, Rumphs, (that is to say retreads,) and undrafted rookie types. Depth issues hurt you on special teams and filling in for injured starters. At least this has been a major knock on us, perceived or otherwise.

We seem capable of fielding a competitive starting outfit year in year out, we just can't handle injuries at all. The Eagles and Pats stick out in my mind as teams that are extremely well prepared to deal with injuries. Most teams can't win if they lose more than a starter or two, but the good ones can.

The other big knocks on us over the last decade and a half have been continuity, leadership and QB play, with QB play being the biggest factor IMO. Hell, if we had gotten a franchise type QB after JG I, Norv Turner would probably be the longest tenured, highest paid head coach in the league right now.

Fortunately, we have continuity and leadership now. So the good news is that it is all going to come down to talent, execution, injuries, luck and Jason Campbell. Now, anyone want to predict what going to happen next year?

Defensewins
05-19-2007, 12:07 AM
I don't care how our talent looks on paper, you do not win games on rated talent on paper.
Only two things matter:
1) W-L record
2) Winning the Super Bowl
The rest is for Madden Gamers and Fantasy football enthusiasts.

holcknowsbest
05-19-2007, 09:40 AM
Offensive Talent: Good.
Defensive Talent: Average to below average.
Results: Very below average.

talent on offense= good???? when is the last time our offense won a game for us????

talent on defense= average or below average????? i think up until last year that carried our team for two seasons prior. take away injuries last year and i dont think we would have been all that bad. but talent wise you have pro bowlers at fs, potentially ss(landry), cb(springs), lb(marcus washington and fletcher), dl (griffen has never gotten the credit he deserved).....so i think we are better than average of below, hell jacksonville man for man doesnt match up with us on defense, and they were top 5 last year....i would take our secondary and healthy linebackers over theres any day of the week. thier dline is great and trounces ours but as talent whole we are the more talented group.......dont forget we were 3rd and 9th two years prior to last season.

EARTHQUAKE2689
05-19-2007, 09:51 AM
talent on offense= good???? when is the last time our offense won a game for us????

talent on defense= average or below average????? i think up until last year that carried our team for two seasons prior. take away injuries last year and i dont think we would have been all that bad. but talent wise you have pro bowlers at fs, potentially ss(landry), cb(springs), lb(marcus washington and fletcher), dl (griffen has never gotten the credit he deserved).....so i think we are better than average of below, hell jacksonville man for man doesnt match up with us on defense, and they were top 5 last year....i would take our secondary and healthy linebackers over theres any day of the week. thier dline is great and trounces ours but as talent whole we are the more talented group.......dont forget we were 3rd and 9th two years prior to last season.


the jaguars game was won by offense and the texans somewhat

skinsfan69
05-19-2007, 04:09 PM
Griffin would start for most teams in this league, Carter would probably also start for most.

I don't think Andre Carter would start for very many teams. He is not a full time 4-3 DE. While he may have gotten a little pass rush pressure, he sure stinks against the run.

skinsfan69
05-19-2007, 04:14 PM
I think Griff has really regressed. He needs to stay healthy and get back to his play of 04. But he is getting older so it's probably not going to happen. We need some youth and a talent upgrade on the Dline. I sure hope Goldston and Montgomery are ready.

skins009
05-19-2007, 05:34 PM
Here's how I would break it down.
O line Above average
Recievers/TE Average
RB Above average
QB Below average
DLine Below average
LB Average
DB Above average

You see there a two crucial positions where we are below average, QB and Dline. Thats the problem with the skins and why i see us winning 8 games this year.

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR
05-20-2007, 11:11 AM
our oline and dline are getting old. QB is still up in the air on how good he will be. Anything better than Brunell. Good rb's, just one good WR. Good TE. Dline stinks and LB's are good> Above average secondary. Would be better if we had a damn pass rush. Kicking game is average at best. And im being kind. Lucky to be 8-8 most likey 6-10 or 7-9.

SmootSmack
05-20-2007, 12:18 PM
He has CB1 and CB2.

Good catch. As for the other question of how many times our offense has won games for us. Didn't we have a couple of games last year (Rams and Giants I think) where we put up over 30 points but still lost? I mean what more can the offense do there

MTK
05-20-2007, 01:00 PM
I don't think Andre Carter would start for very many teams. He is not a full time 4-3 DE. While he may have gotten a little pass rush pressure, he sure stinks against the run.

Why is he not a full time DE?

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