Remembering Our Local Fallen Heroes Thread

~just shakes head and walks away
SBF, you have to realize when threads like this come up it stirs up a lot of emotions, including anger and blame. Any thread that involves political issues is bound to stir up this sort of discussion in today's divided america.

Regardless, God bless the fallen and their families.

~just shakes head and walks away

That's exactly how I feel when I see our soliders being sent to an early and pointless death.

I have total and complete respect for our soliders. I cannot express that enough.

However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war.

I think that's a valid point. I think a lot of us are just numb to this stuff by now. I hope Bush can sleep at night knowing he has the blood of our finest on his hands.

THIS STUFF?

I wonder what you would've said during the American Revolution, War of 1812, the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, etc...they were REALLY "quagmires".
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THIS STUFF is what gives you the freedom to disagree with the government without being put in a gas chamber or just being beheaded or shot.

No one likes war, even our troops...but if you like freedom, you better stand behind our troops and realize that if we don't fight for our freedom, we'll lose it.

If PRESIDENT Bush has "blood on his hands", so does every single member of Congress who voted to go to war against our enemies. EVERY single one of them voted, whether they've had the integrity to stand behind their vote or not.

It's pathetic how people can let their hatred for one man override their will to do what's good for the nation.

I'm probably wasting time on this post, because some people don't form their views based on right and wrong...they base them on right and left.

SBF...keep up the noble and honorable posts you're making. If they ALL get overrun by politics or just the popular hobby of "Bush-bashing", it's all worth it if one of our troops sees the thread and sees that not everyone is against them.

Calm down chief, it's not a black and white issue and I think it's hilarious when people try to make it seem that way. I support our troops, I just don't support our leaders. There's a big difference there. If you can't understand that I'm sorry.

Let's try to keep politics out of the discussion here. We already have that stupid thread by the genious Crazyhorse

My intention was not to hijack the thread, but I guess it's just hard to remember our fallen soliders without feeling some anger and disgust. I think it's very important to remember our fallen soldiers, but at the same time I think it's equally important to continue to question why we are there and if our leaders have a plan of action to get us the hell out. We owe our soliders that type of respect too.

That's exactly how I feel when I see our soliders being sent to an early and pointless death.

I have total and complete respect for our soliders. I cannot express that enough.

However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war.


If you don't support what the troops are doing, you're not really supporting them.

People think they can justify themselves by saying the bumper-sticker phrase, "I support the troops but not the war".

Do these people REALLY support the troops? What have you personally done to show them? I've sent phone cards to soldiers so they can call their families...bought them dinner when they return, sent care packages, supported charities that directly help them...THAT is supporting the troops. Words are nice but they don't do much in reality.

I'm not bashing you directly, Matty...but so many people can rant and rave about the war and add "but I support the troops" to the end and think they're right because of it. If you don't show support to them or don't stand behind their missions...you don't really support them.

It's like saying "I follow the law" and then don't pay your taxes because you disagree with them.

If you don't support what the troops live and die for...the jobs they sacrifice and dedicate their lives to...you don't really support them. You can't hate what they believe in (right now it's fighting terrorists and removing governments who support them), then they won't see what you mean when you say you "support" them. Our brave soldiers support their leaders, so if you say you don't...you're disagreeing with everything our troops are fighting for and therefore can't say you support them.

Sorry if the truth hurts.



This thread is NOT the place to talk about your feelings towards the President and to have a political debate. It's meant to be a memorial and a tribute.

To come in and say something like " However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war." is like playing Cindy Sheehan or that Westboro Baptist "church" and interrupting a funeral with protests.

Keep up the great work SBF.

If mods or anyone else is upset about my ranting and passion on this...I don't apologize. I DO support our troops and I'll fight for their good name when they're away fighting for my freedom.

If we ever had the current popular attitude and the treasonous media and politicians during other wars, we'd be a third-world communist nation today. Look what the once rich and powerful Soviet Union has disintegrated to...because they didn't stand up and fight for their rights and freedom. The Chinese let their government take care of them and they avoid conflicts, but, they have no freedom.

Those who have and still do fight and die to keep us free think the price is worth it. So do I.

I guess we'll have to just disagree then. I think you can support the troops without supporting the cause or the leaders behind this mess. To me there's a clear difference.

If you don't support what the troops are doing, you're not really supporting them.

People think they can justify themselves by saying the bumper-sticker phrase, "I support the troops but not the war".

Do these people REALLY support the troops? What have you personally done to show them? I've sent phone cards to soldiers so they can call their families...bought them dinner when they return, sent care packages, supported charities that directly help them...THAT is supporting the troops. Words are nice but they don't do much in reality.

I'm not bashing you directly, Matty...but so many people can rant and rave about the war and add "but I support the troops" to the end and think they're right because of it. If you don't show support to them or don't stand behind their missions...you don't really support them.

It's like saying "I follow the law" and then don't pay your taxes because you disagree with them.

If you don't support what the troops live and die for...the jobs they sacrifice and dedicate their lives to...you don't really support them. You can't hate what they believe in (right now it's fighting terrorists and removing governments who support them), then they won't see what you mean when you say you "support" them. Our brave soldiers support their leaders, so if you say you don't...you're disagreeing with everything our troops are fighting for and therefore can't say you support them.

Sorry if the truth hurts.



This thread is NOT the place to talk about your feelings towards the President and to have a political debate. It's meant to be a memorial and a tribute.

To come in and say something like " However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war." is like playing Cindy Sheehan or that Westboro Baptist "church" and interrupting a funeral with protests.

Keep up the great work SBF.

If mods or anyone else is upset about my ranting and passion on this...I don't apologize. I DO support our troops and I'll fight for their good name when they're away fighting for my freedom.

If we ever had the current popular attitude and the treasonous media and politicians during other wars, we'd be a third-world communist nation today. Look what the once rich and powerful Soviet Union has disintegrated to...because they didn't stand up and fight for their rights and freedom. The Chinese let their government take care of them and they avoid conflicts, but, they have no freedom.

Those who have and still do fight and die to keep us free think the price is worth it. So do I.


But Buster, by you taking this very stance on the issue, indeed, further makes it a political thread. I think people are torn on the issue of war. It has split the nation. In fact, it's splitting Congress and the Senate as we speak. We have policy makers that backed Bush at the beginning, who are now getting hammered by their constituants back home, and they're now re-thinking the merrits, if any, of continuing on in Iraq.

They no doubt still honor and support the troops, but the mission itself has, in fact, become a thorn in the side of this country. This is where we are, sadly.

I'll say this, anytime you bring up President Bush's name, I don't care what the contex or the the title or intention of the thread, I'll guarantee you that it will stir some very heated responses.

And in a few years there will be heated debates about President Giuliani or Obama or whoever. Nature of the beast

However, Buster has represented one side and 12th the other. Now let's end it and get back to the original intent of the thread