Iraq: Who Has the Right Plan?

i know the threat of terrorism is real. i know that there are tons of people of all religions that would like nothing better to see Americans killed/ and or tortured. but to say that this administration has stopped countless attacks, has little credibility to me. these groups have been around long before 9/11, but president bush would have you believe this is all something new. he basically stirred up a hornets nest by invading Iraq, when we really had no business doing so
So when he does something wrong you bash him and when they do get something right you say you don't know if its true or if he desirves the credit. You want it both ways so to never give them any credit.

I'm willing to give him the credit, if he is willing to accept the blame? no one in this administration has ever admitted to being wrong about anything. and angryssg, i think the better plan of attack would have been to attack Afghanistan with both barrels, until bin laden was either captured or killed. that way we would be showing that the united states means business. if you attack us, we will hunt you down, and get you. to win in iraq, you will have to change an entire civilizations thought process. somehow i dont think that will happen

I'm willing to give him the credit, if he is willing to accept the blame? no one in this administration has ever admitted to being wrong about anything. and angryssg, i think the better plan of attack would have been to attack Afghanistan with both barrels, until bin laden was either captured or killed. that way we would be showing that the united states means business. if you attack us, we will hunt you down, and get you. to win in iraq, you will have to change an entire civilizations thought process. somehow i dont think that will happen
Ok, I'm tired of this subject. We can go back and forth and what is said today is what was said back in other threads and post with maybe just a different twist. So are you planing on going to any of the games this year?

if warpath comes thru, ill be at the lions game. and i am going to Tampa to see the skins. how about you? and thanks for the civil discussion

In all actuality Terrorism became the threat as we know it today just after the end of the cold war. Much of it can be attributed to the Regan administration. we were laxidazily supporting both Palestinians and Israelis in the Middle East. All we wantd to do was promote peace in the region. Peace talks between the two peoples were never successfull. While the US tried to stay nuetral and promote peace the majority of its citizens were either of Jewish or Christian background. The Arab Nation believed that we were more supportive of the Israelis and made us an enemy. They started the attacks, and not a single thing was done about it until the Lil' Bush administration.

See, I believe that when the United States tries to "promote peace" in a region of the world that has never known it, all you do is wind up pissing somebody off. You're right that the Arab world saw us as favoring Israel. That's one of the primary reasons for anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world. Ultimately, I just think it proves that the best thing for us to do is to stay out of it. Just like you wouldn't leave your home today for a flight out to south-central Los Angeles looking to pick sides in whichever gang war you could find.

Keep in mind though -- Lil' Bush had no plans for terrorism until after the 9/11 attacks.

You say that our presence in Iraq is not necessary and there is no real proof of progress. Well Sir, I would have to disagree. Had we not invaded Iraq do you think that we would have detered the attacks that we already have? Furthermore, do you believe that the attacks would have stopped if we just stayed in Afghanistan after 911. The terrorists had to flee Afghanistan and set up terror cells somewhere. Where would they be treated more at home than under the regime of Sadam Huessein? While I understand that Iraq is not the only place that they have relocated and occupied, why not knock out 2 birds with one stone? Iraqi's were not free and lived in terror themselves under the rule of a dictator that we overthrew.

The one thing 9/11 proved is that there really isn't any way to prevent a small group of determined religious fanatics from doing a whole lot of damage and killing lots of innocent civilians. The hijackers were able to carry out their plan without our being in Iraq. They conceived, planned, financed, trained, and succeeded in the United States -- in places like Minnesota and Virginia Beach -- right under our noses. No military occupation anywhere in the world will stop 6 or 7 guys from dropping off a suitcase bomb in a shopping mall.

The United States military is currently stationed in 130 countries all over the world. Our presence in all of these places didn't deter the 9/11 attacks. Our imperialistic attitude will only serve to foster more hatred toward us.

I'm willing to give him the credit, if he is willing to accept the blame? no one in this administration has ever admitted to being wrong about anything.

United Press International - NewsTrack - Top News - Cheney: 'I was wrong about insurgency' (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/07/31/cheney_i_was_wrong_about_insurgency/2492/)

United Press International - NewsTrack - Top News - Cheney: 'I was wrong about insurgency' (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/07/31/cheney_i_was_wrong_about_insurgency/2492/)

lol...good post

i think bob dole has the best plan

United Press International - NewsTrack - Top News - Cheney: 'I was wrong about insurgency' (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/07/31/cheney_i_was_wrong_about_insurgency/2492/)
thanks. it only took 6+ years to get it. but it is a start. the americaqn people need to hear this kind of thing