Bill Cowher!!

I think when people cite Lloyd, Duckett, Brunell, Patten, Wright, Harris as some examples of why he sucks then it's perfectly ok to cite Moss, Portis, Taylor, Cooley, Fletcher, Suisham (gotta throw 5 Kicks some love) as examples of success.

Cheers to that.

People love to focus on the negatives, but throw a positive out there and it's immediately dismissed it seems.

It works both ways, you can't just blame, blame, blame and not toss out some praise when it's warranted.

Smoot let me ask you this. Does it mean Gibbs has an eye for talent when you go out and get a bunch of FA's? If you ask me anyone can go out and sign FA's looking to get paid. That's not a difficult thing to do as long as you have an owner willing to spend the $.

Plus the jury is still out on JC. Time will tell whether giving up an extra #1 was the right thing to do. So far, from what I've seen I would not have given an extra number one for him. That's not knocking JC in anyway. I just don't think it's smart doing 2-1 type deals that have been done with JC, Cooley, Rocky, Portis and Lloyd.

Sure free agents are easier to evaluate vs. college players because at least you have tape on them at the pro level and you have a good idea of if they can play at this level, but you still have to factor in whether they are a good fit for your team and system. And that's not necessarily an easy thing as we've seen with some of our FA busts.

Who says we would target a young first time hire anyway? I highly doubt we would go in that direction.

GW's name wasn't mentioned last year because he was basically viewed as being not available due to the extension he was given, and of course because the Skins had a horrible year defensively. Still, I'd be willing to bet his stock is still relatively high and he's still highly regarded. Hell, if Norv Turner can get chance after chance I see no reason why Williams wouldn't warrant a second chance. I'd find it very hard to believe that a coach with his resume wouldn't have any other options.

I agree that the Skins likely would not persue a young coach like Tomlin and IMO thats the problem. The Skins seem unwilling or unable to learn from their mistakes so I am sure they will keep doing what has brought them 15+ years of losing football.

I agree that the Skins likely would not persue a young coach like Tomlin and IMO thats the problem. The Skins seem unwilling or unable to learn from their mistakes so I am sure they will keep doing what has brought them 15+ years of losing football.

Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.

A younger coach could provide more stability to the staff in the long term. Like the original focus of this thread, Cowher was 35 when he took over the Steelers job. However, Tomlin made sense to take over for Cowher because he was already with the team, and being molded to take over. Lane Kiffin is an easier chance to take because of his background (Son of Monte, worked under Pete Carroll at USC). Mangini as well, as he worked for Belicheck.

Dallas could have done the same thing with Jason Garrett, but decided to go with a head coach with a bit more experience, even though his track record in the NFL as a head coach wasn't very good in Wade Phillips.

There is definitely arguments for both sides. If Gibbs is around next year and the team continues with success, I could see keeping the status quo. However, it will be 5 years, and depending on future success, 1 playoff year in 5 isn't very good, and would be time to rock the boat so to speak.

Tomlin was being molded to take over the Steelers?

Not sure what I was thinking...perhaps I was thinking Garrett...needless to say, it's been a rough morning.

Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.

What Bozie says about stability is what I feel so I wont rehash that. I dont think the Skins are doomed if they dont go young but what I do think is that what they have been doing in terms of lots of coaching turn-over and hiring older coaches isnt working. Why not try something different? It cant work out any worse than what the team has been experiencing. Like the saying goes "if you keep on doing what you have always done, you will keep on getting what you always got." Lately the Skins have been getting crap.

I really dont see it happening though as danny likes to hire a "name" as coach to make a splash. Hiring a young unknown wont provide Danny with the kind of splash he likes.

Joe Gibbs era:

The good: Griffin, Portis, Washington, Sellers, Marshall (for a year at least), Taylor, Brunell, (arguably Pierce for giving him a shot), Springs, Cooley, Ryan Clark, Rogers, Campbell, Rabach, McIntosh, Montgomery, Golston, Randle El, Landry, Blades, Fletcher, Kendall, Carter (big maybe, IMO).

The bad: Barrow, Patten, Archuleta, letting Pierce go, letting Ryan Clark go, Fauria, Dallas Sartz, and like...Jordan Palmer.

The really really brutal: Lloyd, Duckett

Those are the facts, you be the judge.

Yea, i think we all can agree that theres some good and bad.

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?Oakland Raiders 2006:

Points Scored: 168
Points Against: 332

Oakland Raiders 2007:

Points Scored: 152
Points Against: 177

With a very minor increase in offensive talent, Lane Kiffin has pretty much done in 8 games what it took the Raider offense 16 to do last year. Suffering a massive defensive regression, he's still managed to cut the 2-6 Raiders point differential to -25 over the first 8 games as coach, compared to the -164 it was last season.

It's too bad that the coach of the year award is really just the "surprise team award," because it's hard to make an argument against the job Lane Kiffin has done with an underachieving, talentless offensive unit. I'm not going to apologize for his inability to turn the Raiders into a world beater from the start, are you?

And in the case of Mangini, he inherited a team that's only asset was a good QB who was coming off a serious shoulder injury. He was every bit as bad as the worst teams last year, yet he beat them all, beat the f-ing Patriots on the road, and won ten games.

No coach is a miracle worker, but the younger coaches have recently had a great collective success rate, because they tend not to follow the bs coaching theories that are old and outdated and never worked in the first place. They are good coaches, because they tend to be ahead of the curve.

After all, isn't that how Gibbs got where he is?