Its time for joe to step down.

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Ocliw
11-13-2007, 03:14 PM
This from the Tuesday Morning Quarterback today.

Stat of the Week No. 8: Since his return to the NFL, Joe Gibbs is only 17-13 when the Redskins lead at halftime.

Joe is really putting teams away isn't he!

The Redskins can't hold second-half leads, can't beat division foes at home, can't avoid waves of mental mistakes, don't play with late-game poise, can't manage timeouts and can't come up with the right calls on the goal line with the game on the line. Not even when they get six chances in a row.

Just venting.

SmootSmack
11-13-2007, 05:25 PM
I think this discussion is needed to be made after the season. To have this discussion about Gibbs is really conceding that the season is over.

I don't want to think about Gibbs stepping down right now, but what I do think is - he needs to start stepping up and get this team going. He needs to get the team's energy and emotion up for the next game and keep it up for the rest of the season. And he needs to prepare better - game clock, game situations, possible injuries, and in-game strategic adjustments (this applies to Saunders and Williams too). Sometimes I don't understand that there are these problems and that he has a reputation for putting in long hours to prepare for the games.

Good post. Well summarized

SkinDogg
11-13-2007, 05:28 PM
This topic makes my heart heavy....sigh....

skinsfan69
11-13-2007, 07:01 PM
Didn't everyone say the game passed him by in 2005?

If one more person brings up 05 I'm simply going to puke. We went 10-6 and beat some shitty teams to get in the playoffs. By the end of 05 the offense was so bad it wasn't even funny. We couldn't even get 1st downs in the playoffs and it was the defense that won the TB game. How many teams can win a playoff game with 40 yards passing? That is why Sanders has a job here. Cause the offense sucked at the end of 05. I get so tired of people going back to 05. We didn't make the Super Bowl, we made the divisional round. That use to be standard around here.

SmootSmack
11-13-2007, 07:07 PM
If one more person brings up 05 I'm simply going to puke. We went 10-6 and beat some shitty teams to get in the playoffs. By the end of 05 the offense was so bad it wasn't even funny. We couldn't even get 1st downs in the playoffs and it was the defense that won the TB game. How many teams can win a playoff game with 40 yards passing? That is why Sanders has a job here. Cause the offense sucked at the end of 05. I get so tired of people going back to 05. We didn't make the Super Bowl, we made the divisional round. That use to be standard around here.

Weren't we down to James Farris (was that his name) starting at WR? Our offense leaned heavily on the running game and that did quite well. But either way, while I disagree with you to an extent on 2005. I do agree that it doesn't need to be continually brought up. Just like 2000 doesn't need to be continually brought up every time someone wants to discuss our spending habits.

And, I know this is nitpicky, but...Saunders. I know it's not a big deal but it irks me that you always spell it Sanders. I have this thing where I feel like fans of the Redskins should correctly spell out the names of at least their top players and coaches.

MTK
11-13-2007, 07:10 PM
Weren't we down to James Farris (was that his name) starting at WR? Our offense leaned heavily on the running game and that did quite well. But either way, while I disagree with you to an extent on 2005. I do agree that it doesn't need to be continually brought up. Just like 2000 doesn't need to be continually brought up every time someone wants to discuss our spending habits.

And, I know this is nitpicky, but...Saunders. I know it's not a big deal but it irks me that you always spell it Sanders. I have this thing where I feel like fans of the Redskins should correctly spell out the names of at least their top players and coaches.

Great point.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-13-2007, 07:12 PM
If one more person brings up 05 I'm simply going to puke. We went 10-6 and beat some shitty teams to get in the playoffs. By the end of 05 the offense was so bad it wasn't even funny. We couldn't even get 1st downs in the playoffs and it was the defense that won the TB game. How many teams can win a playoff game with 40 yards passing? That is why Sanders has a job here. Cause the offense sucked at the end of 05. I get so tired of people going back to 05. We didn't make the Super Bowl, we made the divisional round. That use to be standard around here.

I don't know how you can disregard the 2005 season any more than a Kool-Aid drinker can disregard the 2006 season. You have to take into account the good and the bad, even if some people on this site only want to consider the good OR the bad. As for the team beating bad teams, why is that you don't give the Redskins any "credit" (if that is the right word) for losing to good teams this season (e.g., NE, NYG, and GB)? Again, you seem to be considering only half of the picture. Finally, I'm not sure if your observation that not many teams can win playoff games with just 40 passing yards is a slight or a compliment. The defense played lights out, but you only want to consider the offense? A team does in fact consist of a defense and an offense, right?

This paragraph isn't directed at you or anyone else in particular skinsfan69, but I'm seriously starting to wonder whether the hater-aid drinkers really believe everything that they are saying or are merely overstating things in an attempt to balance out the kool-aid drinkers. IMO, two wrongs don't make a right. Some people have a warped perception of reality, but that doesn't give the rest of us free license to similarly warp reality in counteract "the other guys."

skinsguy
11-13-2007, 08:15 PM
If one more person brings up 05 I'm simply going to puke. We went 10-6 and beat some shitty teams to get in the playoffs. By the end of 05 the offense was so bad it wasn't even funny. We couldn't even get 1st downs in the playoffs and it was the defense that won the TB game. How many teams can win a playoff game with 40 yards passing? That is why Sanders has a job here. Cause the offense sucked at the end of 05. I get so tired of people going back to 05. We didn't make the Super Bowl, we made the divisional round. That use to be standard around here.


So if you're going to piss and moan about people bringing up '05, why are you going to bring up 1985? And anyways, yes it was a standard around here because of Joe Gibbs. None of us want to see the status quo, but I believe all of us would rather see the Redskins in the playoffs regardless as to how they got there, than to see them miss the playoffs. I can't see any true Redskins fan no agreeing with that.

SkinEmAll
11-13-2007, 08:44 PM
you know what? every single headcoach can be 2nd guessed about alot of things. And Im not saying Gibbs & Co. dont deserve their share, but it comes down to the players executing the plays. Period. Say all you want about how this shouldve been called, why this and f that and so on. Bottom line is, as pissed as I get watching the games sometimes, Gibbs leaving is NOT the answer to our problems, it will only make them worse, alot worse. So enough with the nonsense. If it was up to me, you start docking players not executing their assignment
ALOT of money each and every time.

skinsfan69
11-13-2007, 09:08 PM
Weren't we down to James Farris (was that his name) starting at WR? Our offense leaned heavily on the running game and that did quite well. But either way, while I disagree with you to an extent on 2005. I do agree that it doesn't need to be continually brought up. Just like 2000 doesn't need to be continually brought up every time someone wants to discuss our spending habits.

And, I know this is nitpicky, but...Saunders. I know it's not a big deal but it irks me that you always spell it Sanders. I have this thing where I feel like fans of the Redskins should correctly spell out the names of at least their top players and coaches.

Jeez. I'll just call him Joe's bitch. LOL!

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