LaRon + Sean = Hell 4 U
11-14-2007, 01:58 PM
I'll have to go w/ Cooley and Taylor...yes its a tie. Although JC has a great upside the jury is still out.
Golston and Montgomery seem to be real good late round picks. Rogers, Rocky, Laron were good draft picks. Laron may be up there w/ Taylor and Cooley soon.
It's seems that Griffin is on his last leg the development of Golston & Montgomery was huge they are the future a DT unless they draft a beast like Glenn Dorsey.
LaRon + Sean = Hell 4 U
11-14-2007, 02:00 PM
Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -
1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers BUST
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears BUST
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans BUST
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings BUST
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals BUST
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions BUST
You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.
In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.
I wouldn't call Pacman a bust persay he just can't get away his friends. But on the field I would pick Pacman if he wasn't carrying all this baggage with him.
irish
11-14-2007, 02:04 PM
Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -
1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers BUST
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears BUST
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans BUST
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings BUST
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals BUST
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions BUST
You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.
In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.
There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.
SmootSmack
11-14-2007, 02:14 PM
There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.
The Bears were in the Super Bowl last year, Titans are 6-3 (I think), Lions are 6-3. None of them thanks to Benson, Jones, or Williams.
Rajmahal33
11-14-2007, 02:14 PM
Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round,
That might be one of the most grossly inaccurate statements I have seen on this site.
I agree that its easier to pick a 1st rounder than later selections but there is unquestionably more pressure and expectations associated with a 1st rd pick. So let's not oversimplify the drafting process.
I gotta go with the flow and say Cooley and Taylor
JoeRedskin
11-14-2007, 03:36 PM
There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.
The Bears were in the Super Bowl last year, Titans are 6-3 (I think), Lions are 6-3. None of them thanks to Benson, Jones, or Williams.
Ahhh, there you go again SS - confusing the issue with facts.
JoeRedskin
11-14-2007, 03:38 PM
In terms of actual performance to this point I think the winner is Taylor.
As my personal favorite not based on performance? Rock Cartwright
"Rock Cartwright - The New and Improved Ade Jimoh"
sportscurmudgeon
11-14-2007, 03:40 PM
I'd say Jason Campbell by a wide margin...
GTripp0012
11-14-2007, 03:45 PM
In terms of actual performance to this point I think the winner is Taylor.
As my personal favorite not based on performance? Rock Cartwright
"Rock Cartwright - The New and Improved Ade Jimoh"Wasn't Rock a Spurrier pick?