Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

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MTRedskinsFan
12-06-2007, 12:56 AM
Prisco makes the understatement that if it weren't for his name our head coach would be on the firing line. That's retarded IMO - if our head coach were anyone BUT Gibbs his ass would be long gone, and that's true not only w/ Danny boy but probably with any team owner in the league. Over his second stint Gibbs has lost 18 games in which he led at halftime, which is 7 more than any other coach in the league. Big money acquisitions have come up bust about half the time, putting the organization in salary cap hell. But more than anything, it's the week to week issues that have been simply appalling, from playcalling that even the half-interested announcers easily predict to dumbfounding clock-management and now ignorance of basic rules.

Gibbs, IMO, knows he would be gone if it weren't for special treatment and that fact more than anything else bothers him (as it would for anyone with strong character, which he has). So here's the big question I ask myself: will Gibbs ultimately accept his failure in this second tour and leave football behind forever OR will he redouble his efforts, sharpen his wits, and learn what it takes to be successful today (rather than what it took before salaries mattered)? I don't think there is an in-between for Gibbs. If he returns after this year we'll see a much sharper tack and probably a much better football team. If he doesn't return than all bets are off for Redskins football in '08; could be better, could be worse (though not by much).

saden1
12-06-2007, 01:28 AM
We do have quite a number of issues (salary cap, quality depth, play calling, clock management, etc) but nothing is un-fixable...and last time I checked this team was in the playoffs in 2005 with the same bunch of people (less Saunders). The real issue we seem to be having this year is with injuries, which can be addressed by keeping more of our draft picks.

I don't buy the notion that this team needs to clean house. This team has talent, they just need to get it together and I still have faith in Gibbs.

twinskinsfan
12-06-2007, 01:32 AM
Man, I thought this was done for the year, please no more Gibbs must go threads.

SmootSmack
12-06-2007, 01:36 AM
We do have quite a number of issues (salary cap, quality depth, play calling, clock management, etc) but nothing is un-fixable...and last time I checked this team was in the playoffs in 2005 with the same bunch of people (less Saunders). The real issue we seem to be having this year is with injuries, which can be addressed by keeping more of our draft picks.

I don't buy the notion that this team needs to clean house. This team has talent, they just need to get it together and I still have faith in Gibbs.

That pretty well sums up my feelings, though I'd add "failure to execute called plays". Nicely done saden (notice how I didn't capitalize :) )

skinsfan69
12-06-2007, 01:39 AM
We do have quite a number of issues (salary cap, quality depth, play calling, clock management, etc) but nothing is un-fixable...and last time I checked this team was in the playoffs in 2005 with the same bunch of people (less Saunders). The real issue we seem to be having this year is with injuries, which can be addressed by keeping more of our draft picks.

I don't buy the notion that this team needs to clean house. This team has talent, they just need to get it together and I still have faith in Gibbs.

The O-line is getting old. How many more years can we keep this group together? The wr position has to be addressed. AGAIN. Although we are faster on defense we still do not have any playmakers on the front 7. We need someone coming off the edge. I like Daniels but he just can't rush the passer. At all. And the secondary is a mess. Springs is hurt again and he probably isn't going to be here next year. And replacing Taylor is really going to be hard. He was the one player that opposing offenses feared.

We may not need a total house cleaning, but we might need a mini one.

redsk1
12-06-2007, 10:07 AM
I'm an old school Joe Gibbs fan but i do think we need to move in a different direction although if JG wants to coach next year, so be it.

I've heard alot of excuses for JG over the last 4 years, but the fact is he hasn't gotten it done in a mediocre NFC. Talk all you want about the injuries and any other excuse but it hasn't worked. Maybe someone can do some homework, but how many games have we lost due to conservative play down the stretch...trying to run out the clock...playing conservative w/ a lead? I would take a guess and say 5 or 6 minimum in the last 2 years.

If JG's wants one more crack at it next year I'm ok w/ it, but I don't know that next year will be much different. It really hasn't changed much over the last 4 years and that's pretty sad.

My 2 cents is GW. That guy has got a pair and wants to win. He most likely won't leave the game in the hands of the defense every week. Al Saunders...he hasn't been calling plays much at all here and especially not in crunch time.

firstdown
12-06-2007, 10:15 AM
Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.
Well the issue with is grandson is a sad one but he is paid to win football games and if he has personal issues getting in the way then he sould retire. Using ST as an excuse is very poor because we have only played one game sense his death and what did Gibb's do? You also say give him a chance and only post these post if he fails. Right now what is his record? Do you call that not failing? I have backed Gibbs from day one and only until the past couple of weeks have I started to think that maybe its time for him to retire. If he stayes another year I'm not going to throw a fit but the thought of him retiring has crossed my mind.

Vulta121
12-06-2007, 10:20 AM
I'm so tired of hearing this B.S.. There is absolutely no way that Joe Gibbs should be fired or even quit. We are not that good, but we are better than when we were before he got here. Joe probably isn't going to come back after next season anyway. Let him go on his own terms. He is the Joe Pa. and Bobby Bowden of the skins. He deserves to stay as long as he wants. He is not as interactive as other head coaches, the coordinators run there unit. So it really doesn't matter anyway. I love Coach Gibbs and I know any true skins fan does too, leave him alone he is a hof and a legend.

70Chip
12-06-2007, 10:43 AM
Does everyone understand that at some point we have to hold the players accountable for how they play? Perhaps part of the reason they keep making the same mistakes is that all the heat is focused on Gibbs and they continually skate. The game is played on the field. Gibbs has made some mistakes, but the players have made a lot more. Those guys have it pretty sweet it seems to me. They get paid millions, deliver nothing, and Coach Gibbs shoulders all the scrutiny. The ass clowns will be lined up around the block again this off-season hoping for a contract to play for the Washington Redskins - the easiest gig in football.

SmootSmack
12-06-2007, 10:47 AM
Does everyone understand that at some point we have to hold the players accountable for how they play? Perhaps part of the reason they keep making the same mistakes is that all the heat is focused on Gibbs and they continually skate. The game is played on the field. Gibbs has made some mistakes, but the players have made a lot more. Those guys have it pretty sweet it seems to me. They get paid millions, deliver nothing, and Coach Gibbs shoulders all the scrutiny. The ass clowns will be lined up around the block again this off-season hoping for a contract to play for the Washington Redskins - the easiest gig in football.

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