Why All The Hate Toward The Patriots?

35-47 with 1 winning season out of 6 without Brady...I did not make that up...those are the facts.
Those maybe the facts but facts do not always tell the whole story. The first two years with the brown he was rebuilding the team and getting better. The third he went to the playoffs and I think beat the pats in the first round. His forth year was when the Browns picked up and moved in the middle of the season so I'm not sure if that year can be put on him. Even if you think Brady has made him he also gets the credit for drafting him and making them what they are today. It is the job of the coach to find, train and make them a great team. A whole bunch of other coaches did not have the vision to draft Brady and looked over him.

Those maybe the facts but facts do not always tell the whole story. The first two years with the brown he was rebuilding the team and getting better. The third he went to the playoffs and I think beat the pats in the first round. His forth year was when the Browns picked up and moved in the middle of the season so I'm not sure if that year can be put on him. Even if you think Brady has made him he also gets the credit for drafting him and making them what they are today. It is the job of the coach to find, train and make them a great team. A whole bunch of other coaches did not have the vision to draft Brady and looked over him.

Brady was drafted before he got there. I think Belichek is a good coach...just not the all time greatest like he is portrayed as these days.

Brady was drafted before he got there. I think Belichek is a good coach...just not the all time greatest like he is portrayed as these days.


Celts, if he isn't one of the all-time greats then what measuring stick are you using?

Brady was drafted before he got there. I think Belichek is a good coach...just not the all time greatest like he is portrayed as these days.
Wrong, Belichek was hired in 1/2000 and Brady was aquired in the 2000 draft which was in 4/2000. So does that now make him a great coach?

I'm sorry, but I can't give Belichick too much credit for Brady. I'm of the opinion that great quarterbacks have intangibles that can't be taught, and coaching has less of an impact on their performance than their god-given abilities do.

I think the great quarterbacks like Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikman, Manning and Brady are great, and would have been great, regardless of their coach. They might have been less successful with lesser coaches, but they still would have been great.

Give Belichick credit for making the Pats great, but don't give him credit for making Brady great. Afterall, if Belichick knew he was so great, why did it require an injury to Bledsoe to put him in?

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I think the great quarterbacks like Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikman, Manning and Brady are great, and would have been great, regardless of their coach. They might have been less successful with lesser coaches, but they still would have been great.

Give Belichick credit for making the Pats great, but don't give him credit for making Brady great. Afterall, if Belichick knew he was so great, why did it require an injury to Bledsoe to put him in?

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I think you are over simplifying.
99% of all college QB's are not ready to play at a high level when they first arrive in the NFL. Marino and Roethlisberger are the only two that come to mind that came in with a bang.. IT takes time to develop them to the level that is required to be great in the NFL. Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman, Manning were not very successful their first couple of years. In fact they really sucked. With COACHING and learning the pro system they became great. They had to work at it. Nobody wanted Brady coming out of college.
Which brings me to another point. I think the offensive system each QB plays in makes a big difference. Montana playing under Walsh and his great system helped him. Well Bellicheck pretty much ran the same system until this year when he started to play more of the 3 and 4 wr system.

I'm sorry, but I can't give Belichick too much credit for Brady. I'm of the opinion that great quarterbacks have intangibles that can't be taught, and coaching has less of an impact on their performance than their god-given abilities do.

I think the great quarterbacks like Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikman, Manning and Brady are great, and would have been great, regardless of their coach. They might have been less successful with lesser coaches, but they still would have been great.

Give Belichick credit for making the Pats great, but don't give him credit for making Brady great. Afterall, if Belichick knew he was so great, why did it require an injury to Bledsoe to put him in?

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I never said that he made Brady great. I said he picked him up in the draft when all the other coaches had passed him over. Others have said that Brady has made the Pats what they are and my point that great coaches find these types of players and he should get that credit.

This argument that Belichick is somehow a good coach, but not a great one is absurd. Putting personal feelings aside for a minute, you can't argue with three Super Bowls and a fourth one around the corner.

I'll go a step further, here's a guy that lost both his defensive and offensive coordinator in the same year and didn't miss a beat. Loss one of the best field goal kickers of all time, and he still wins.

The fact is both Belichick and Brady have mutually benefited from each other. I really think it's that simple.

I think you could make the argument that the single most valuable person to the Patriots' dynasty is Scott Pioli. He has done an amazing job acquiring talent, both drafted and free agent. Their personnel department is the benchmark in the NFL.

This argument that Belichick is somehow a good coach, but not a great one is absurd. Putting personal feelings aside for a minute, you can't argue with three Super Bowls and a fourth one around the corner.

I'll go a step further, here's a guy that lost both his defensive and offensive coordinator in the same year and didn't miss a beat. Loss one of the best field goal kickers of all time, and he still wins.

The fact is both Belichick and Brady have mutually benefited from each other. I really think it's that simple.
If I'm correct he has another SB ring as a DC. I love how people credit everyone around BB but he gets little credit.