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Gmanc711 01-10-2008, 10:08 PM The way she said it, her entire demeanor and delivery would lead any reasonable person to conclude it was completely innocuous and nothing more than perhaps a poor choice of words for public TV.
Why "lynching" brings only one thing to mind is beyond me. A lynching is a mob killing without legal authority. If she's guilty of anything, it's of using an illustration that's ridiculously graphic and violent for the point she's trying to make, it has nothing to do with race.
It should be equally bad for her to say, "Well they'll have to stalk you down and blow your brains out in an ally before they can compete." If it's offensive, it ought to be offensive to a broad range of people simply because it's too violent an illustration for comparing it to golf.
Seriously I agree 100% with this. I'm so sick of hearing about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with this stuff. Its 100% obvious she didnt mean anything bad by this, hell she was complimenting him...yet she should lose her job...unreal imo.
DynamiteRave 01-10-2008, 10:21 PM Seriously I agree 100% with this. I'm so sick of hearing about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with this stuff. Its 100% obvious she didnt mean anything bad by this, hell she was complimenting him...yet she should lose her job...unreal imo.
I understand they were friends but I don't understand how she was complimenting him.
"Faldo and Tilghman were discussing young players who could challenge the world's No. 1 player toward the end of Friday's broadcast at Kapalua when Faldo suggested that "to take Tiger on, maybe they should just gang up for a while."
"Lynch him in a back alley," Tilghman replied."
Maybe I'm just seeing this is in the wrong context because I don't know what came before it or after it. But if someone could just point me in the direction of the compliment...
And I think it would be stupid for her to lose her job over this, especially considering they were personal friends. I think what Fuzzy Zoeller said about him was far more demeaning.
Gmanc711 01-10-2008, 10:46 PM I understand they were friends but I don't understand how she was complimenting him.
"Faldo and Tilghman were discussing young players who could challenge the world's No. 1 player toward the end of Friday's broadcast at Kapalua when Faldo suggested that "to take Tiger on, maybe they should just gang up for a while."
"Lynch him in a back alley," Tilghman replied."
Maybe I'm just seeing this is in the wrong context because I don't know what came before it or after it. But if someone could just point me in the direction of the compliment...
And I think it would be stupid for her to lose her job over this, especially considering they were personal friends. I think what Fuzzy Zoeller said about him was far more demeaning.
Basically the compliment came because they were saying that no one could beat Tiger and Nick Faldo said something along the lines of well maybe they need to all gang up on him and she said "lynch him in a back alley", basically saying thats the only way you can beat Tiger....
I mean I dont know who is/isnt African American on this website, but I'd really like to know if stuff like this is offensive to them. I just find that its insane that with all the crime going on in the world, this is what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are worried about.
DynamiteRave 01-10-2008, 11:08 PM Basically the compliment came because they were saying that no one could beat Tiger and Nick Faldo said something along the lines of well maybe they need to all gang up on him and she said "lynch him in a back alley", basically saying thats the only way you can beat Tiger....
I mean I dont know who is/isnt African American on this website, but I'd really like to know if stuff like this is offensive to them. I just find that its insane that with all the crime going on in the world, this is what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are worried about.
Well I am Black and I find it offensive but not to the point of where she should lose her job, but ONLY for the fact that they were friends prior to this incident which leads me to believe that she probably didn't mean it in the way that everyone is thinking she did. It'd be different if she was just some random woman and she didn't know him and was saying "lynch him". She's known the guy for 12 years! This was no personal attack or no racist comment, I think she meant "string him up" and what came out was lynch. Whoops!
She called the guy up and apologized to him and Woods released a statement saying that he didn't really care about what she said. And that should be it. There shouldn't be a huge uproar about it. As long as she goes to him and apologizes and he accepts it or shrugs it off and says "whatever we're still cool" that should be THE END. Theres no point in dragging this out and making some big social controversy out of it.
dmek25 01-10-2008, 11:19 PM The way she said it, her entire demeanor and delivery would lead any reasonable person to conclude it was completely innocuous and nothing more than perhaps a poor choice of words for public TV.
Why "lynching" brings only one thing to mind is beyond me. A lynching is a mob killing without legal authority. If she's guilty of anything, it's of using an illustration that's ridiculously graphic and violent for the point she's trying to make, it has nothing to do with race.
It should be equally bad for her to say, "Well they'll have to stalk you down and blow your brains out in an ally before they can compete." If it's offensive, it ought to be offensive to a broad range of people simply because it's too violent an illustration for comparing it to golf.
while we don't agree on much, with this i think you are dead on. i really think she was trying to compliment woods. and society is way toooo sensitive
mheisig 01-10-2008, 11:49 PM Well I am Black and I find it offensive but not to the point of where she should lose her job, but ONLY for the fact that they were friends prior to this incident which leads me to believe that she probably didn't mean it in the way that everyone is thinking she did. It'd be different if she was just some random woman and she didn't know him and was saying "lynch him". She's known the guy for 12 years! This was no personal attack or no racist comment, I think she meant "string him up" and what came out was lynch. Whoops!
She called the guy up and apologized to him and Woods released a statement saying that he didn't really care about what she said. And that should be it. There shouldn't be a huge uproar about it. As long as she goes to him and apologizes and he accepts it or shrugs it off and says "whatever we're still cool" that should be THE END. Theres no point in dragging this out and making some big social controversy out of it.
But do you take offense to it from a racial standpoint or from the standpoint that it's basically an absurdly violent image to communicate a message about golf?
If, and I'm saying if the instant reaction (as it appears in Sharpton's case) is to assume it's racially motivated and respond as such, it seems a bit "unfair" to the untold numbers of people of some color other than black who have undoubtedly been the victims of lynch mobs. Blacks simply are not the only people to have been victimized at the hands of lynch mobs or cruelly enslaved or discriminated against. That doesn't denigrate any of the suffering, but I think a broader historical perspective can be very helpful.
I guess to me it'd be more equitable to take offense (if offense has to be taken in the first place) because it's violent in general for no apparent purpose, rather than because it may or may not be racially motivated.
To me I rank the woman's comments as a poorly worded attempt at humor and a backhanded compliment. It would be along the lines me complaining that my wife is bugging me to take out the trash and a friend suggesting that I take her out back and beat her. Yeah, it wasn't meant seriously and no offense was intended, but it was in poor taste and could've been worded better. It's offensive and poorly thought out, but at what point do you just let it roll off your back?
To me it's hardly worth being fired over and having Al Sharpton release the legal hounds.
DynamiteRave 01-11-2008, 12:13 AM Well honestly I take it offensive racially. But I guess that's because all thats been shoveled into my head is images of Blacks being lynched by Whites and I think you said something like that in your statement.
FRPLG 01-11-2008, 12:54 AM She used the wrong word. That's it. She wasn't using an illustrative word to describe what white people would have to do to Tiger to beat him in golf. She meant that people in general would most likely have to physically impair him. The use of the word lynch was simply an unfortunate choice. The question I get out of this is why does one race get to decide that a certain word/term/phrase is offensive to their race? Did black people get lynched un the south? Yeah. More were simply killed by other means yet for some reason kill is not on the "banned" list. This is so utterly ridiculous.
I think if she had said something about blowing his brains out in an alley, it would be criticized but she wouldn't lose her job for it.
I doubt anyone would have batted an eye if she simply used a different word or phrase honestly. It is what makes this so damn stupid.
I know we still have a lot of racist problems in this country but one of the biggest problems is that the Black Community has such total retards like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as their leaders.
FRPLG 01-11-2008, 12:57 AM Well honestly I take it offensive racially. But I guess that's because all thats been shoveled into my head is images of Blacks being lynched by Whites and I think you said something like that in your statement.
Why is it offensive? Doesn't intent matter at all? She clearly did not mean it in the way some would like to portray. I know you know that. So I don't get why it is offensive. Shouldn't the offensive remark have been meant in a disparaging or ignorant way at least?
DynamiteRave 01-11-2008, 01:16 AM Why is it offensive? Doesn't intent matter at all? She clearly did not mean it in the way some would like to portray. I know you know that. So I don't get why it is offensive. Shouldn't the offensive remark have been meant in a disparaging or ignorant way at least?
Well as a knee-jerk reaction I take it offensively. But I mean seeing as how they're close friends and such I don't and she apologized to him personally. I know she didn't mean it maliciously and that means a lot in my not taking offense to it as well. I said if she was just some random woman and he had no idea who she was, then I would be a little more offended.
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