Democratic Debate

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MTK
01-22-2008, 11:31 AM
I'm just wondering if this country is ready for a black president, or a woman president.

For that reason I'm scared that we could see another republican in office.

firstdown
01-22-2008, 12:00 PM
I have no problem voting for either but I do not like the two running for office.

DynamiteRave
01-22-2008, 12:15 PM
I'm just wondering if this country is ready for a black president, or a woman president.

For that reason I'm scared that we could see another republican in office.

You know some backwoods guy is going to try to kill Obama if he got elected president. I think that's in the back of every minority's mind (and maybe some who aren't minorities).

FRPLG
01-22-2008, 12:21 PM
You mean those lobbyist that he used as a lawer to make his millions. He also attacks the rich like he is some poor guy off the streets. I feel he is two faced and has an agenda totaly differemt than how he has lived his life.

Yeah of all the Dems Edwards is certainly the most objectional to me. The stuff I have read about him is actually enlightening. Look up about John kerry's feeling on Edward's and many people will change their views on him. He is a fake in every way. He is a blow hard spouting of rhetoric for votes which isn't all that different from the others except that most of them actually have some iota on belief that they can do what they are saying they can do. Edwards is awful. Very much so. I think he'd lose an election to Bush honestly. Once in a race he'll get skewered because he is pretty transparent with his crap. Can you tell I don't like him?

RobH4413
01-22-2008, 01:36 PM
You mean those lobbyist that he used as a lawer to make his millions. He also attacks the rich like he is some poor guy off the streets. I feel he is two faced and has an agenda totaly differemt than how he has lived his life.

Here's the exact transcript from the debate:

"
EDWARDS: ....I've committed not to have any corporate lobbyists working in my White House on the first day that I'm president. Will you make the same commitment?

CLINTON: Well, you know, John, I will make the commitment to have people in the White House who are honest and trustworthy and put the interests of the United States first. But I think...

EDWARDS: Is that a no?

CLINTON: You know what? I don't know. (LAUGHTER) I don't know, because I'm not in favor of corporate lobbyists, but you keep drawing these artificial distinctions. You take money from people who employ lobbyists, who are married to lobbyists, who are the children of lobbyists. And, you know, at some point this gets really hard to take, because if you are someone like I am, who has withstood the full force of corporate lobbyists, starting with the health insurance companies, and the drug companies, and the oil companies, and everybody that I've taken on for all of these years, you know, I think I'm independent and tough enough to be able to deal with anybody. And that's what I intend to do. (APPLAUSE)

EDWARDS: Those people, though -- here's the problem, Hillary. Everybody is listening. They can make their own judgment about this. They don't have to depend on us. When somebody gives you millions and millions of dollars, I think they expect something. I don't think they're doing it for nothing.

CLINTON: Well, John, trial lawyers have given you millions and millions of dollars. So...

EDWARDS: And what they expect from me is they expect me to stand up for democracy, for the right to jury trial, for the right for little people to be heard in the courtroom. And that is exactly what I stand up for. That is not the same thing. That is not the same thing as corporate lobbyists who are in there every single day lobbying against the interests of middle-class Americans. And I think we need a president who can stand up. We have a difference about this. You're entitled to your view. But we have a real difference about it.

CLINTON: No, we don't have a real difference. Where we stand is -- where I stand is for public financing. I'm going to do everything I can to get public financing, to get the money out of American politics. But, you know, Barack has a lot of lobbyists who are leading his campaign here in South Carolina. John has had lobbyists who've been working hard for him all of these years. The point is that you've got to say no. You've got to say no.

I felt like Edwards actually made some good points here in regards to Hilary's campaign. I'm not saying Edwards' hands are clean... just that in this particular instance... he managed to call out Hilary on her campaign.

saden1
01-22-2008, 02:19 PM
im really surprised that Edwards isn't doing better. he was clearly on top of his game last night. as far as the comparison between the parties, its no contest. the GOP wants to stay in Iraq, the Dem's want us out. its that simple. the GOP wants health care status quo, the Dem's want universal health care. as the republicans stress changing the immigration laws. too me, its a non issue. while i think John McCain would be a viable choice for the white house, he is too old( and a career politician) i think we need change at the top.

Edwards is all talk and no substance. He is talking about all these issues and things he wants to tackle if he is president but he didn't do shit when he was a Senator. It's not what you say that matters but what you do and Edwards hasn't done shit when he had a chance.

saden1
01-22-2008, 02:22 PM
You know some backwoods guy is going to try to kill Obama if he got elected president. I think that's in the back of every minority's mind (and maybe some who aren't minorities).

I don't think that's an issue...There's always someone that wants to kill you when you're president and Obama is no exception. I mean, you think Bush can walk around freely?

DynamiteRave
01-22-2008, 02:40 PM
I don't think that's an issue...There's always someone that wants to kill you when you're president and Obama is no exception. I mean, you think Bush can walk around freely?

I think he has a much better chance of that than a White man. Trust me, to some people in the world, they don't see you as Black they just see you as a no good (Insert N word here).

dmek25
01-22-2008, 02:56 PM
i agree. some of the people in the good old southern part of our country still wave the confederate flag, and have alot of backwards ideas.

12thMan
01-22-2008, 04:00 PM
Umm...I happen to think America is ready for either a woman or a black man. I've spoken to southern whites that will vote for Barack and some men that are leaning toward Hillary. I understand the notion that people might not be ready for this or that, but one thing is for sure people are ready for change regardless of the candidate and regardless of which side of the aisle they're on.

Obviously I don't know any of this for sure because I haven't talked to every American:) But the handful that I have spoken to are leaning toward Hillary or Barack.

I get the feeling that Edwards is lining himself up more and more for the VP nod. During his debates, his rhetoric tends to lean more towards Senator Obama's positions on a few issues. With each primary state that passes and the sparse number of delegates Edward's is being awarded, at some point it just becomes a numbers game and he'll have to bow out. But he'll grit his teeth until the last minute and then bow out. Afterward, I would fully expect him to endorse Senator Obama.

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