Dying Girl Denied Chance To Visit Father

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Lady Brave
03-20-2008, 11:55 PM
Do the guidelines need to be changed then?
In my opinion, no. We have guidelines in place for a good reason and we don't make decisions hastily when confronted with issues like these. People may not agree with the rules we have in place, but they are necessary in order to maintain fairness when dealing with all inmates, not just a select few.

SmootSmack
03-21-2008, 12:05 AM
In my opinion, no. We have guidelines in place for a good reason and we don't make decisions hastily when confronted with issues like these. People may not agree with the rules we have in place, but they are necessary in order to maintain fairness when dealing with all inmates, not just a select few.

It's an unenviable position to be in, I'm sure. I completely understand what you're saying about a precedent being set.

Still, it's hard not to sympathize with the girl.

Lady Brave
03-21-2008, 12:14 AM
I understand what you are saying Lady Brave, but perhaps an exception for a dying family member?
Based on my personal experience, this particular inmate should be grateful he's been allowed outside visits with his daughter at all. Most inmates don't get that opportunity. Especially those who are housed in local confinement facilities like I work in.

We only allow inmates to visit the funeral home after a family member has passed away and they are only allowed brief contact with the family. The reason for that is the potential for a family member to slip a weapon or contraband to the inmate. Safety and security is our primary focus regardless of the situation. I'm a civilian employee, not a certified detention officer. So it's a bit difficult for me to explain all the factors or different scenarios that are taken into account when dealing with these type of situations.

jsarno
03-21-2008, 12:34 AM
In my opinion, no. We have guidelines in place for a good reason and we don't make decisions hastily when confronted with issues like these. People may not agree with the rules we have in place, but they are necessary in order to maintain fairness when dealing with all inmates, not just a select few.

I 100% agree with you LB.

Sure, you feel for the dying girl, but you have to understand that it's the HORRIBLE acts of the father that put them in this situation. So if they make an exception for this guy, where do they stop making exceptions? People need to stop blaming others for their problems...those family members should look at that father and tell him what a worthless peice of poo he is for doing this kind of thing to his daughter. It's 100% the father's fault. Not the system, not the lawyer, not the jury, it's all the father's fault. No one should blame anyone but him.

SmootSmack
03-21-2008, 12:42 AM
I 100% agree with you LB.

Sure, you feel for the dying girl, but you have to understand that it's the HORRIBLE acts of the father that put them in this situation. So if they make an exception for this guy, where do they stop making exceptions? People need to stop blaming others for their problems...those family members should look at that father and tell him what a worthless peice of poo he is for doing this kind of thing to his daughter. It's 100% the father's fault. Not the system, not the lawyer, not the jury, it's all the father's fault. No one should blame anyone but him.

Well, I couldn't find it in the article. I know it was drug related, but I'd like to know what exactly he did that was HORRIBLE.

LB, I hope you don't think I was trying to put you on the spot with this thread.

Lady Brave
03-21-2008, 12:59 AM
Well, I couldn't find it in the article. I know it was drug related, but I'd like to know what exactly he did that was HORRIBLE.

LB, I hope you don't think I was trying to put you on the spot with this thread.
If he was convicted of Federal drug charges, then I would think he was a major player in the distribution of controlled substances. We're not talking about being busted for a small bag of marijuana. When the DEA comes knocking on your door, then you know you're in some pretty big doo doo.

I don't feel put on the spot. I wish I were in a position where I could shed a bit more light on how the federal prison system works. However, I only work at the lowly state level, so my knowledge is very limited. If memory serves, someone else here has mentioned working within the federal prison system in the past. Maybe they can offer a more educated opinion than I can.

jamf
03-21-2008, 03:08 AM
Jsarno, I think you are reading a little too much into the article.
He was convicted on Methamphetamine charges. I don't know if he sold or used but I wouldn't categorize a Meth charge as a HORRIBLE act.
Also, I never read in the article where he blamed anyone other than himself.

Major players don't get 5 years. I have an uncle that was a player down in Jsarnos area and he is serving 25 to life.

With that said, This guy has completed over 90% of his sentence in a minimum security prison. He is going to be released in August to a halfway house. They are not asking to give the father a break, They are simply asking for compassion for a dying little girl.

My personal opinion is that he should not get released for an extended period of time but a few days, Maybe a weekend while staying at a halfway house.
If his last name was Hilton, He would've been out 2.5 years ago.



They let inmates out for funerals, I think saying goodbye to the child while she is living is more important than going to her funeral which he would be released for.

Another Article with a little more information (http://www.kolnkgin.com/home/headlines/16762906.html)

jamf
03-21-2008, 03:12 AM
If a terminal Illness isn't a family crisis, I don't know what is.
I can't imagine anything worse than watching your own child die.

BOP: Inmate Temporary Release From Custody (http://www.bop.gov/inmate_programs/temp_release.jsp)

Under special, limited circumstances, inmates who meet strict requirements may be allowed temporary releases from the institution through furloughs and staff-escorted trips. A furlough allows inmates to be in the community without a staff escort.

There are several purposes for furloughs: for example these enable inmates to be present during a family crisis, facilitate re-establishing family and community ties, and allow an inmate to participate in certain activities to help his/her release transition. The Bureau may authorize staff-escorted trips for purposes such as visiting a critically-ill family member; attending a funeral; receiving medical treatment; or participating in educational, religious, or work-related functions.

dmek25
03-21-2008, 08:00 AM
i personally find it very hard to have any sympathy for the dad. my heart goes out to the little girl. and something tells me something doesn't smell right about the whole thing. but he ultimately made the choice of drugs OVER his own flesh and blood

MTK
03-21-2008, 08:32 AM
Jeez let the girl see her Dad one last time for christ sake.

Put all the BS and politics aside, this is a dying 10 year old who just wants to see her father one last time.

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