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Sheriff Gonna Getcha 03-26-2008, 01:31 PM The bottom line is we're still not getting enough production and TD's out of the WR position. And not having Lloyd really doesn't make a difference cause he wasn't even on the field to begin with. Moss and ARE are not top tier NFL wr's on a year to year basis and the production backs it up. Are they good enough to win with and be a playoff contender? Yes. But is that the goal? If we're going to be a Super Bowl contending team we need a WR that can make a difference in the red zone. It's probably not going to happen this year because we have too many other needs. I'll throw out more names. CJ, TJ, Roy Williams, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Edwards, Andre Johnson, Colston. There are a few more I could name. If we added someone with this type of potential it would open up the whole offense for everyone.
So you want to trade for one of those wideouts? Fitzgerald re-upped with Arizona and isn't going anywhere. CJ and TJ are both 30+; surely you don't want us to trade a high draft pick for an aging wideout after you blasted the team for trading high draft picks in the past. Edwards and Johnson couldn't be pried away from their teams with a crowbar. Detroit says firmly that it won't trade Roy Williams unless the offer absolutely blows them away.
If you want us to use our 1st rounder on a wideout, what makes you think he'll be a difference maker? About 50% of late first round wideouts are busts and few rookie wideouts have a meaningful impact. The odds of landing an impact rookie wideout with the 21st pick are pretty piss-poor.
GTripp0012 03-26-2008, 01:32 PM The bottom line is we're still not getting enough production and TD's out of the WR position. And not having Lloyd really doesn't make a difference cause he wasn't even on the field to begin with. Moss and ARE are not top tier NFL wr's on a year to year basis and the production backs it up. Are they good enough to win with and be a playoff contender? Yes. But is that the goal? If we're going to be a Super Bowl contending team we need a WR that can make a difference in the red zone. It's probably not going to happen this year because we have too many other needs. I'll throw out more names. CJ, TJ, Roy Williams, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Edwards, Andre Johnson, Colston. There are a few more I could name. If we added someone with this type of potential it would open up the whole offense for everyone.Maybe a year or two down the road, we will have the money to spend on one in free agency. With regards to this draft, a third rounder or lower will be sufficient.
GTripp0012 03-26-2008, 01:35 PM If you want us to use our 1st rounder on a wideout, what makes you think he'll be a difference maker? About 50% of late first round wideouts are busts and few rookie wideouts have a meaningful impact. The odds of landing an impact rookie wideout with the 21st pick are pretty piss-poor.Well, the chances are just as good if not better than any other spot in the first round. I still recommend against it though, because we're in an era where receivers are universally overvalued, both financially and in the draft.
The best course of action to improve our receivers (which as you have stated, isn't really a priority) is to spend a mid round pick on a guy who we expect to be the third receiver of the future for us, and hope we got a guy who is more than that.
GTripp0012 03-26-2008, 01:41 PM The bottom line is we're still not getting enough production and TD's out of the WR position. And not having Lloyd really doesn't make a difference cause he wasn't even on the field to begin with. Moss and ARE are not top tier NFL wr's on a year to year basis and the production backs it up. Are they good enough to win with and be a playoff contender? Yes. But is that the goal? If we're going to be a Super Bowl contending team we need a WR that can make a difference in the red zone. It's probably not going to happen this year because we have too many other needs. I'll throw out more names. CJ, TJ, Roy Williams, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Edwards, Andre Johnson, Colston. There are a few more I could name. If we added someone with this type of potential it would open up the whole offense for everyone.Being a playoff contender is the realistic goal for this year. There's no reason to go acquire an elite WR before Campbell hits his prime. Some luck can get us deep into the playoffs, but until the QB develops to his potential, we're going to be trailing the elite teams in skill.
The only production you are going to get from your receivers is whatever the Quarterback is able to muster out. That's the flaw in ignoring Cooley in this analysis is that he's the single biggest component of the passing offense, so if you excluded him, the WR production looks shitty. Well duh. If you excluded Steve Smith from the Panthers, they'd be pretty awful too.
I'm sure theres a receiver or two in this draft who will go on to enjoy more success than Moss, but it's too risky to try and find them. Hopefully an opportunity to grab a great player opens up in future years and we jump on it, but Campbell is very capable of playing at a high level with the guys we already have, and that's all SGG and myself are saying here.
KLHJ2 03-26-2008, 01:46 PM Maybe not. When they were talking about bringing in DJ Hackett the plan was to still keep ARE at the #2 in most packages.
I am not arguing or disagreeing with you, but the last and only thing that I read regarding that issue had ARE moving to the slot. Where did you get thst interesting little tid bit? Once again, not sarcasim, just interested.
SmootSmack 03-26-2008, 02:07 PM I am not arguing or disagreeing with you, but the last and only thing that I read regarding that issue had ARE moving to the slot. Where did you get thst interesting little tid bit? Once again, not sarcasim, just interested.
Vinny Cerrato was on Redskins Radio and said WR DJ Hackett would come in for dinner tonight and meetings tomorrow.. The team is hoping to get a deal done with the former Seattle WR in the near future.. He would essentially replace Brandon Lloyd as an outside WR with Antwaan Randle El moving into the slot in 3 WR sets.. In two WR sets, Randle-El would likely remain the starter opposite Santana Moss..
Covering The Redskins: March 12-- DJ hackett Update (http://coveringtheredskins.blogspot.com/2008/03/march-12-dj-hackett-update.html)
hagams 03-26-2008, 02:11 PM I'm not beliving any of the hype surronding him....yet. I don't think I even saw him last year, or remember hearing his name. But, the numbers do stand out. 4.45 in the 40 during his combine, and 6'5 245lbd. That's a huge target for Jason to hit. I hope he does live up to all the talk about him though. Him and Santanna could be leathal on a Defense.
GeneParmesan 03-26-2008, 02:44 PM we should really trade for someone like Randy Moss, I'd give up the entire draft for him
GridIron26 03-26-2008, 04:25 PM we should really trade for someone like Randy Moss, I'd give up the entire draft for him
And I wouldn't.. A stand out receiver - even Randy Moss or TO is not worth all picks.. There is always a gem hiding in late rounds, we just have to uncover it..
SkinsFanSince91 03-26-2008, 04:31 PM we should really trade for someone like Randy Moss, I'd give up the entire draft for him
That's just crazy talk right there.
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