If Zorn Wins..........

Well, you can pretty much expect to hear media and at least some fans give a hell of a lot of credit to Zorn if the offense finally takes off this year. Offensively, Gibbs 2.0 could be best described as inconsistent. And the thing is offense was really what Gibbs was doing. GW ran the defense, period. If the defense continues to shine that credit goes mostly to Blache, but it will have GW's mark on it.

But it's like others have said: Gibbs carried the team through the valley of death after he had brought stability and respect back to the franchise. What's that worth? Priceless IMO. Priceless.

Coach Gibbs' greatest quality was dealing with adversity
he gave us everything he had and then some

He'll always have a place among the greatest figures in DC sports history

Well hopefully this will benefit us..look at past coachs who left and how good the team did the following year..i.e.The Cowboys,Chargers and Steelers last year..The Bucs won it the following year that Tony Dungy left.We'll be okay..

Not to nitpick, but I think there are many more historical examples of teams being bad the year after a coach left than there are the opposite.

I believe that Gibbs had both a positive and a negative impact. The positive is more lasting ... he demanded high character people, and added many tough guys that would never throw in the towel even in the most trying circumstances (Taylor's death). However, we cannot turn a blind eye to the number of blown leads, many after going conservative. When Norv was coach, blowing close games was a recurring theme, and I remember thinking then that Gibbs almost always put a team away when he had them down. Gibbs 2.0 reminds me a lot of the last 4 years Norv was here - talented teams that often found ways to beat themselves.

All that said, you can never take away the greatness of Gibbs' first tenure. Based on that, he should be on everyone's top 10 greatest coaches list.

Gibbs went out and got some great talent for our roster. Also, I feel that Gibbs did a top-notch job mentally developing each and every person on the roster. Not a single team member was left out after the death of Sean Taylor. Everyone pulled together and got through it, feeding off of the perserverance that Joe Gibbs instills in each of his players. He got their heads ready for every game and every player knew they could win every game regardless of the final score. Every team has its player who messes up and sticks out as a trouble maker... except the Redskins.

I believe, just from what I have seen, Zorn lacks the mental aspect of the game. He has the fundementals, and will bring a whole new aproach to how to play football. Not a bad thing by any means. If you add the fundementals he has, along with the perserverance, heart, and teamwork that Gibbs left behind, and finally add the player development and skill position assets that Zorn offers.... We have a great team. I do not think we can win any games in the next five years without attributing at least a little credit to Mr. Gibbs.

One more thing... Joe Gibbs is in that front office serving as an advisor to the team. He is in Dannys box, sitting next to his throne. As long as Gibbs is whispering in Danny's ear, it would not be fair to exclude Gibbs from any of the credit dished out for the Redskins.

I'm curious, just what is it you have or haven't seen that would indicate Zorn 'lacks the mental aspect for the game'?

they havent taken a snap yet.

I'm curious, just what is it you have or haven't seen that would indicate Zorn 'lacks the mental aspect for the game'?

they havent taken a snap yet.

Welcome to the board, that's an interesting username

I come by it honestly

oh, and thanks for the welcome

I come by it honestly

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Zorn deserves credit if he wins, but Gibbs did lay a nice foundation of tough, resilient players. I also credit Gibbs (and especially Gregg Williams) for eliminating the "star system" that had been pervasive and poisonous during the earlier years of Snyder's tenure.