Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas

jsarno.,,all due respect but you seem to know nothing about basketball. Before his knee got banged up Arenas was a top 5 guy in the league and considered so rather universally. Simply because you don't like him doesn't make it fact that he is over-rated. My God when healthy he is only behind like 4 guys in the league.

Davis has already declared himself a free agent. He's not likely to come back to Golden State
Looks like he's coming back home to play for to the Clippers! I’m in a state of shock right now. Can the Clippers actually be trying to win!? Has Donald Sterling lost his mind? Is the world about to end? This must mean something. I mean we are talking about the Clippers here!

ESPN - Davis verbally agrees to go to Clippers, leave Warriors - NBA (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3470016)

jsarno.,,all due respect but you seem to know nothing about basketball. Before his knee got banged up Arenas was a top 5 guy in the league and considered so rather universally. Simply because you don't like him doesn't make it fact that he is over-rated. My God when healthy he is only behind like 4 guys in the league.

I have nothing against him. I am finding a lot the comments funny here. Why do people instantly think I hate him? Why do people assume I think he sucks? I have said nothing of the sort, in fact I actually said he was a good player.
You are proving my point that he is overrated saying he was a top 5 player. Just cause you score points doesn't make you a top 5 player especially considering you shoot a miserable 41%. I could easy rank 15 or more players higher than Arenas. But I understand that you have strong feelings to the opposite.

Clearly I have offended people here. It seems any time an opinion is opposite of someone's opinion here they get all offended and overreact making comments about things that weren't even said or implied. Why bother having any discussions at all if everyone thought alike?
I honestly don't know why I bother. I spend a lot of time giving stats and researching facts for people to ignore them. Shame on me.

I have nothing against him. I am finding a lot the comments funny here. Why do people instantly think I hate him? Why do people assume I think he sucks? I have said nothing of the sort, in fact I actually said he was a good player.
You are proving my point that he is overrated saying he was a top 5 player. Just cause you score points doesn't make you a top 5 player especially considering you shoot a miserable 41%. I could easy rank 15 or more players higher than Arenas. But I understand that you have strong feelings to the opposite.

Clearly I have offended people here. It seems any time an opinion is opposite of someone's opinion here they get all offended and overreact making comments about things that weren't even said or implied. Why bother having any discussions at all if everyone thought alike?
I honestly don't know why I bother. I spend a lot of time giving stats and researching facts for people to ignore them. Shame on me.


Well everyone appreciates you cutting and pasting the first page of Arenas's NBA.com bio, and then throwing in adjectives like horrible and disgusting to describe his career shooting percentage, accusing people of only looking at stats when you are the one removing one relatively uninmportant statistic (for a shooting guard at least) from context and then using it to evaluate the entire impact of a game-changing scorer, I think your posts would go over better if you injected a little nuance.

You back yourself into these positions and someone becomes either the absolute greatest ever (Favre for example) or a complete disgrace to humanity (Young). There's never any middle ground. And then when someone disagrees with you you go and pick one stat you think buttresses your point and hammer it with loud language until people get annoyed, at which point you call them fart-sniffers who can't handle the truth.

Personally, as a Wizards fan I tend to sympathize with the argument that Arenas is overrated, but certainly not when it is presented the way it has been.

I'm glad we re-upped Jamison, dude has been consistently good for us ever since we got him in '04. If Arenas decided to leave I wouldn't be terribly upset either, it would save us some salary cap space, if we could get a guy who not only takes good shots but can consistently spread the ball around I'd be happier, but if he stays I wouldn't be too upset either. I just want him to be healthy, injuries have dismantled the team the past few years and if we could just get our Big Three together we would have a better chance.

I know you won't believe me, but I have never been a big Pierce fan. He's a thug. I can appreciate what he did for the C's, but he's probably my 5th or 6th favorite player on the celtics.
You keep ignoring my comment of you can't have your best two players being poor shooters. They brought in KG and Allen, both are good shooters.

Your arguments are sounding terrible by the way, and usually you're better that that. Like assuming I said that Arenas was "disgusting". The FG% is disgusting, and since Arenas only offers 5.5 assists per game he's not the best choice to create opportunities. I even said he was a good player. You choose not to listen. Can't say it surprises me, no one on this site ventures outside of their own thoughts. So more power to you...signing arenas for 120mil for 6 years is great idea...might as well not even play and GIVE the Wiz the trophy. Congrats! :D



You are assuming he's MY BOY...yet again you're not listening to black and white. Have a nice day. Let me know when you decide to pay attention.

First off, I assumed Pierce is "your boy" because you're a big Celtics fan, and he's been your best player for years (save for this season when KG took that role). So I thought it was a pretty valid assumption that you liked Pierce.

Second, I never said you didn't like Arenas, I just took exception to referring to his shooting as "disgusting" when your best player is all of 2% better.

Third, I never said it was a good idea to sign Arenas to 6yr $120M deal. I want him on the team, but not necessarily as a full time PG. I almost think he's better as a combo-guard style player. ESPN - Scouting breakdown: Arenas is a unique combo - NBA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=thorpe_david&page=ScoutingArenas) At 6-4 (same height as D-Wade), with all that speed and some elevation too, I almost think we'd be better with Arenas playing primarily 2 guard.

The Celtics deserved their championship. Not trying to say otherwise. But your argument about shooting percentage is semi-flawed. It varies from team to team as far as "best" players are concerned. Outside shooters like Gilbert are inevitably going to have a lower shooting % than post players like Garnett. If Gilbert was a 7 foot tall PF/center and shot 42%, then I'd have a big problem. Also, Jamison is a smaller PF, and shoots a lot of outside shots. Again, Jamison had the 3rd most double-doubles in the league, is a great leader, and obviously consistent. As it's been pointed out, the sample of games when Jamison, Gil, and Butler have been healthy together is small, but we had the best record in the conference for half a season when they were.

I have nothing against him. I am finding a lot the comments funny here. Why do people instantly think I hate him? Why do people assume I think he sucks? I have said nothing of the sort, in fact I actually said he was a good player.
You are proving my point that he is overrated saying he was a top 5 player. Just cause you score points doesn't make you a top 5 player especially considering you shoot a miserable 41%. I could easy rank 15 or more players higher than Arenas. But I understand that you have strong feelings to the opposite.

Clearly I have offended people here. It seems any time an opinion is opposite of someone's opinion here they get all offended and overreact making comments about things that weren't even said or implied. Why bother having any discussions at all if everyone thought alike?
I honestly don't know why I bother. I spend a lot of time giving stats and researching facts for people to ignore them. Shame on me.

Just to clarify, career FG%: Kobe 45.3%, Gilbert 42.7%, D-Wade 48.1%, Pierce 44.2%.

Career 3-PT%: Kobe 34%, Gilbert 36%, D-Wade 25.8%, Pierce 36.3%.

Not a lot of difference between the league MVP, Gilbert, the best player similar to Gilbert, and your best player. Since shooting % is so vital and all...

127 million for 6 years severely cripples the Wiz for the foreseeable future. He's not worth max money (only a handful of players are)... coming off two knee surgeries and he hasn't shown the propensity to play D.

Bad offer by management. I'm sure Abe told EG to make it so.

your stats are stupid jsarno. calling jamison and arenas piss poor shooters is retarded and totally untrue.

i didn't bother getting involved because i'd rather not engage in more arguments with brick walls, but all that idiotic arguments get you are eroded credibility.

like when you bring up "i told you so"'s after the celts win from months ago, but never bring up the "i was wrongs", it just seems silly and beneath you.

not trying to hate, but if you're wondering why these threads go down like this, that's why. we have plenty of other people who have used the "i'm right and you're stupid/a fart-sniffer/etc" and it never really leads to much beyond frustration on both sides.

127 million for 6 years severely cripples the Wiz for the foreseeable future. He's not worth max money (only a handful of players are)... coming off two knee surgeries and he hasn't shown the propensity to play D.

Bad offer by management. I'm sure Abe told EG to make it so.

What would you do?